Linked by Hadrien Grasland on Sat 25th Jun 2011 08:55 UTC, submitted by John
Mac OS X "Using a Mac may certainly be a safer choice for a lot of people as despite being vulnerable they are not targeted. However this is not the same as Macs being secure, something Eric Schmidt erroneously advised recently. I may be able to browse impervious to malware on a Mac at the moment, however I personally would not be comfortable using a platform so easily compromised if someone had the motivation to do so. In this article I address just why OS X is so insecure including the technical shortcomings of OS X as well as Apples policies as a company that contribute to the situation."
Thread beginning with comment 478577
To view parent comment, click here.
To read all comments associated with this story, please click here.
RE: Just another article
by BallmerKnowsBest on Sat 25th Jun 2011 18:02 UTC in reply to "Just another article"
BallmerKnowsBest
Member since:
2008-06-02

And while I do agree that OS X might be "insecure", and even "Horribly Insecure" as the author suggests, there has still to date been NO outbreak of a virus or malware of the scale of any of the above-mentioned viruses that has affected Mac computers.


So you're okay with rampant security vulnerabilities, just so long as no one can be bothered to exploit them? That's like getting diagnosed with Herpes and saying "it doesn't matter because I haven't had an outbreak yet!"

One can say it is due to there only being a very few Apple computers out there and they are not targeted, but there are millions more now than there were back in even 2000, and yet there have been no attacks.


Uh, yes Virginia, there have been attacks.

I don't buy this argument at all.


Yeah, I guess it would be a difficult argument to swallow... if you're completely ignorant of how viruses & worms spread and the actual factors that make it possible for them to propagate.

Reply Parent Score: 2

RE[2]: Just another article
by wocowboy on Sun 26th Jun 2011 10:27 in reply to "RE: Just another article"
wocowboy Member since:
2006-06-01

You say there have been attacks. Would you please cite them? Just exactly what attacks on Macs have there been in the past on the scale of Melissa, I Love You, Nimda, and the others I cited in my post? Hmmm? What attacks? I and everyone else on here are waiting to see this supposedly massive list of attacks that have been perpetrated on Macs in the past that demonstrates their vulnerability and ostensibly ridiculously horrible security.

Reply Parent Score: 1

RE[3]: Just another article
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 26th Jun 2011 10:33 in reply to "RE[2]: Just another article"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

A house with no locks is insecure even when it never gets broken into.

Reply Parent Score: 2

RE[3]: Just another article
by Alfman on Sun 26th Jun 2011 22:52 in reply to "RE[2]: Just another article"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

wocowboy,

"You say there have been attacks. Would you please cite them? Just exactly what attacks on Macs have there been in the past on the scale of Melissa, I Love You, Nimda, and the others I cited in my post? Hmmm? What attacks? I and everyone else on here are waiting to see this supposedly massive list of attacks that have been perpetrated on Macs in the past that demonstrates their vulnerability and ostensibly ridiculously horrible security."

Well this is a big straw man, your ignoring what everyone said and trying discredit us based on things no one here has said.

If anything, most of us have already acknowledged that Mac viruses are much less common than windows ones. What we disagree with is claims of superior security in apple's camp, particularly today.

Reply Parent Score: 2

BallmerKnowsBest Member since:
2008-06-02

You say there have been attacks. Would you please cite them?


For starters, there's the one mentioned here several times in the last month or two (MacDefender), as well as 3 mentions in the comments for this story alone.

Just exactly what attacks on Macs have there been in the past on the scale of Melissa, I Love You, Nimda, and the others I cited in my post? Hmmm? What attacks?


Backpedaling noted. Your original claim was, and I quote:

One can say it is due to there only being a very few Apple computers out there and they are not targeted, but there are millions more now than there were back in even 2000, and yet there have been no attacks.


Nothing mentioned there about scale, you'll note.

I and everyone else on here are waiting to see this supposedly massive list of attacks that have been perpetrated on Macs in the past that demonstrates their vulnerability and ostensibly ridiculously horrible security.


Where did anyone claim there's a "massive list of attacks"? Or are one of those Apple apologists who just finds it easier to argue against strawmen?

Your argument still amounts to nothing more than "la la la la, I'm not listening, security vulnerabilities don't exist until they're exploited." And you'll probably continue spouting that line right up until the day that there is large-scale OS X exploit.

Reply Parent Score: 2