Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 26th Jun 2011 12:13 UTC
Privacy, Security, Encryption Well, after 50 days of causing amok on the web, the guys and/or girls behind LulzSec have called it quits last night. After hacking into the systems of various Arizona law enforcement agencies and releasing countless internal documents, they published a statement on Pastebin yesterday, dumping yet another boatload of data on The Pirate Bay, and announcing their disbanding.
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Democracy
by judgen on Sun 26th Jun 2011 14:58 UTC
judgen
Member since:
2006-07-12

What gives these people the self proclaimed right to use guerilla tactics in preventing a law from beeing passed in a state by a democratic assembly in wich it is unlikely that most of these felons does not even live in?

The states themselves has the right to create immigration laws, if you want to change opinion of the people that votes on the laws, please call them and explain what you feel and think. Attacking the police department in this manner does not bring much good to the side that is against the proposition. Only more hostility.

Sad.

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RE: Democracy
by stanbr on Sun 26th Jun 2011 15:20 in reply to "Democracy"
stanbr Member since:
2009-05-22

I guess they think hacking a 12345 password is easier (and brings more attention)...

Anyways, I'm not really sure yet if democracy is the way to go. Sometimes I just think the majority of ppl is too dumb to decide important things and most of the time they will not make the best option ;) But that's just my opinion...

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RE[2]: Democracy
by jack_perry on Sun 26th Jun 2011 20:52 in reply to "RE: Democracy"
jack_perry Member since:
2005-07-06

Anyways, I'm not really sure yet if democracy is the way to go.


(1) Democracy is the worst system of government... except for all the others that have been tried.

(2) The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

Both courtesy Winston Churchill.

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RE: Democracy
by umccullough on Sun 26th Jun 2011 17:18 in reply to "Democracy"
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

What gives these people the self proclaimed right to use guerilla tactics in preventing a law from beeing passed in a state by a democratic assembly in wich it is unlikely that most of these felons does not even live in?


Did they actually prevent a law from being passed?

I got the impression they were more interested in exposing corruption and/or insecurity within Arizona's police force.

AFAICT, they didn't actually disrupt the democratic process, unless you believe potentially uncovering "dirty secrets" for everyone to see is somehow undemocratic.

Anyhow, that doesn't mean I condone their actions - but knowing the actual truth is generally important when it comes to making laws.

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RE: Democracy
by dizzey on Sun 26th Jun 2011 21:31 in reply to "Democracy"
dizzey Member since:
2005-10-15

Democratic well germany was one of those when hitler got his power. Democratic's can do some horrible things to

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RE: Democracy
by spiderman on Mon 27th Jun 2011 08:44 in reply to "Democracy"
spiderman Member since:
2008-10-23

But there is no democracy. The rich people in countries like the USA or western Europe have all the power. That is called an oligarchy. Try to put yourself in the shoes of a poor guy who want to cross the border to get a better life. Sorry guy, we voted you out. Can the guy vote? No, sorry but democracy voted that you do not vote. The people outside the border do not participate in democracy. Democracy is a joke. It is just there to entertain the people. The power is financial, it does not belong to the people. If you have the money you can immigrate in any country you want. They will be happy to grant you "citizenship" (what a joke) and help you set foot there the best they can. It you don't have the money then get out of "our" soil, we have the right to control our immigration. And you call that democracy...

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RE[2]: Democracy
by ricegf on Mon 27th Jun 2011 11:48 in reply to "RE: Democracy"
ricegf Member since:
2007-04-25

So let me get this straight. Our country isn't a democracy (sic) unless we let NON-citizens outside our border vote on the laws under which we'll live? Seriously?

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RE[2]: Democracy
by jefro on Mon 27th Jun 2011 16:05 in reply to "RE: Democracy"
jefro Member since:
2007-04-13

You mis-understand. It is not poor people crossing the boarder for a better life. It is cheap, no good employers that hire them. The employers only pay half or less what the job should pay. I still say it is a simple form of slavery.

I also don't feel bad for anyone in Mexico. They are a member of OPEC. If Mexico were to get honest people in charge they would have Americans sneaking across the boarder.

By the way, millions and millions of poor Mexican and Central American's have become legal citizens based on blanket policies that simply allow anyone in the country to be a citizen.

Only a small fraction of immigrants are from wealthy backgrounds.

Edited 2011-06-27 16:08 UTC

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