Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 25th Jun 2011 18:15 UTC
Opera Software Jon S. von Tetzchner has been with Opera for a long time - in fact, he co-founded the browser maker back in 1995, and led the company to great success; the desktop version may play a niche role, the various mobile versions surely do not. Today though, he has announced he will be leaving the company due to differences with the board and management.
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RE[2]: dont dumb down
by Dave_K on Sun 26th Jun 2011 21:54 UTC in reply to "RE: dont dumb down "
Dave_K
Member since:
2005-11-16

The features are still there. A cleaner default interface doesn't mean that the features are removed.


Some of my favourite Opera features (mainly MDI related) were removed/broken in 10.5. While some have been worked on since then, there are still quite a few classic Opera features that are missing or badly bug ridden in 11. To me none of the features added since then even come close to making up for the lost functionality.

In addition, some of the new features added can't easily be turned off. For example, there's no option to disable automatic image resizing, while that's just the kind of thing that would have been added to opera:config in the past.

Up until 10.10 it was possible to make Opera look and feel like pretty much any previous version with a little tweaking. That stopped being possible from 10.5 onwards.

They've definitely moved away from offering a highly customisable "power user" browser in favour of eye-candy and flashy gimmicks. The new UI feels a lot slower too.

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RE[3]: dont dumb down
by PresentIt on Mon 27th Jun 2011 08:04 in reply to "RE[2]: dont dumb down "
PresentIt Member since:
2010-02-10

Some of my favourite Opera features (mainly MDI related) were removed/broken in 10.5. While some have been worked on since then, there are still quite a few classic Opera features that are missing or badly bug ridden in 11. To me none of the features added since then even come close to making up for the lost functionality.

I can't really think of any missing features. MDI is working fine here.

In addition, some of the new features added can't easily be turned off. For example, there's no option to disable automatic image resizing, while that's just the kind of thing that would have been added to opera:config in the past.

You don't need it in opera:config, since you can just add an extension to disable it now.

They've definitely moved away from offering a highly customisable "power user" browser in favour of eye-candy and flashy gimmicks.

This is complete and utter nonsense. Opera is as customizable as always.

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RE[4]: dont dumb down
by Dave_K on Mon 27th Jun 2011 11:31 in reply to "RE[3]: dont dumb down "
Dave_K Member since:
2005-11-16

I can't really think of any missing features. MDI is working fine here.


You obviously don't use it as MDI is still a mess in 11.5. Cascading of tabs doesn't work, restored tabs become tiny little windows, tabs open in the background are hidden if any other tabs are minimised. There are loads of little problems that add together to make it barely usable.

You don't need it in opera:config, since you can just add an extension to disable it now.


So because Opera didn't allow this to be customised someone else had to make an extension to do the job (unfortunately it seems to have some glitches and compatibility issues). That hardly makes the point that Opera's developers are still dedicated to creating a highly customisable browser. In the past this kind of thing would have been a user choice without needing outside extensions to be installed.

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RE[3]: dont dumb down
by vodoomoth on Mon 27th Jun 2011 10:06 in reply to "RE[2]: dont dumb down "
vodoomoth Member since:
2010-03-30

+1 to your entire post except that I stuck with 10.63 because I hate the (reportedly Chrome-like) behavior where pinned tabs (oh, "locked tabs" as Opera now calls them) lose their title, shrink to the favicon and are shifted to the left side of the tab bar. And, with 10.63, I have exactly the same look and feel (including shortcuts) that I had in version 7 or 8.

But yes, what you said is true, especially this: "They've definitely moved away from offering a highly customisable "power user" browser in favour of eye-candy and flashy gimmicks."

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RE[4]: dont dumb down
by PresentIt on Wed 29th Jun 2011 21:38 in reply to "RE[3]: dont dumb down "
PresentIt Member since:
2010-02-10

But yes, what you said is true, especially this: "They've definitely moved away from offering a highly customisable "power user" browser in favour of eye-candy and flashy gimmicks."

This is complete and utter nonsense. Extensions alone opens a new world of customization possibilities.

There's nothing wrong with eye candy, and Opera is as power user friendly as it has always been.

If you think making these changes is new to Opera, you are obviously an Opera noob. Have you any idea how frequently and massively Opera has changed through the years? Obviously not.

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