Linked by lemur2 on Wed 22nd Jun 2011 22:30 UTC
Features, Office The Calligra Office Suite has announced its second snapshot release. The project, which is a fork of KOffice, is building a suite of productivity and creativity applications and is working towards its first formal end-user release due in October. The project is seeking feedback from end users particularly in the area of usability of the GUI. With this snapshot Calligra Office Words is claiming better compatibility with .docx than LibreOffice, and also claims to be approaching the best compatibility with legacy .doc formats.
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RE[8]: holding things back
by lemur2 on Sun 26th Jun 2011 23:21 UTC in reply to "RE[7]: holding things back"
lemur2
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"Free software is completely able to generate and faithfully re-open the files, in many alternative formats,..." Is there a name for this private fantasy world of yours? People every day struggle to open even the most basic .doc files. For any business, this is completely unacceptable. Say what you want or believe what you want, but as long as 100% .doc conversion isn't made the #1 priority by these project, nobody will use these open source office suites for serious work. I'm sorry, but that's just the way it is.


I didn't say that MS Office can necessarily open them. MS Office spits the dummy on trying to open all kinds of files, even its own native format. Utter word salad sometimes is the result, from opening files which open just fine in other programs.

I repeat ... if your business expects to do any kind of interoperability at all, then installation of an alternative like LibreOffice (alongside MS Office if you want) is an absolute necessity.

If your business has MS Office only, there are all kinds of files you are going to have trouble with. As you yourself note, "People every day struggle to open even the most basic .doc files. For any business, this is completely unacceptable". What you fail to note is that the people who have the trouble have MS Office only installed, and it is MS Office which mangles the files on opening.

Completely unacceptable.

Put it this way: if there are a number of documents from different sources being exchanged around the place, if any group of people are going to have trouble opening any of the documents, it will be those people who have only MS Office installed.

By far and away the best solution, if your office expects to do any kind of inetroperability with files from elsewhere, is for your office to install (at zero cost) LibreOffice alongside MS Office. Your business also needs to install a capable PDF viewer, there are a number of free choices in this area as well.

Installing MS Office and nothing else is absolute insanity, considering that alternative office suites are available free of charge with software freedom licenses.

This way, no matter what people send you, your business can cope with it. This will give your business a competitive edge (at no cost) compared to other businessess who try to stuggle to interoperate with the abysmal capabilities of MS Office alone.

Sheesh! Isn't that bleeding obvious? How thick can some people get?

Edited 2011-06-26 23:39 UTC

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RE[9]: holding things back
by Dave_K on Mon 27th Jun 2011 01:23 in reply to "RE[8]: holding things back"
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MS Office spits the dummy on trying to open all kinds of files, even its own native format.


This isn't my experience at all, or the experience of anyone else I know. MS Office may stink when it comes to compatibility with other software, but it's pretty reliable when dealing with its own file formats. It certainly does a much better job than any alternative software.

I repeat ... if your business expects to do any kind of interoperability at all, then installation of an alternative like LibreOffice (alongside MS Office if you want) is an absolute necessity.


Not when every office document received is created with MS Office. When that's the case alternatives like Open/LibreOffice are completely unnecessary.

By far and away the best solution, if your office expects to do any kind of inetroperability with files from elsewhere, is for your office to install (at zero cost) LibreOffice alongside MS Office.


I'd install LibreOffice in a second if I ever needed it, but the reality is that out of many thousands of documents I've dealt with (from dozens of different organisations), exactly 0 of them were saved in a different office suite's format.

If the government ever changed to an alternative then I think things might be different. That might happen eventually (I remember when they switched from Lotus Smartsuite), but as it stands every 3rd sector/charitable organisation in the country needs to communicate with them using MS Office formats.

In my experience it isn't much different in the private sector (in the UK at least), with big companies (those with the power to dictate what's used) almost all using MS Office. You just have to look at the .doc job applications they provide to applicants for evidence of that.

This way, no matter what people send you, your business can cope with it. This will give your business a competitive edge (at no cost) compared to other businessess who try to stuggle to interoperate with the abysmal capabilities of MS Office alone.


I'm not sure I see the competitive edge in having software installed that's unneeded and never used. The idea that people are struggling to interoperate due to MS Office is nonsense in my experience.

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RE[10]: holding things back
by lemur2 on Mon 27th Jun 2011 01:47 in reply to "RE[9]: holding things back"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

The idea that people are struggling to interoperate due to MS Office is nonsense in my experience.


You MS apologists sure have a lot of trouble between you getting your story straight.

http://www.osnews.com/thread?478716
"People every day struggle to open even the most basic .doc files. For any business, this is completely unacceptable."

Too right it is unacceptable. Too right that these people who are using MS Office are struggling to interoperate. Every day.

In fact, this whole sub-thread started on the FUD allegations that schools were downgrading papers, submitted in .doc format, which LibreOffice, OpenOffice et al had no trouble re-opening, but the teachers at the school (using MS Office) could not open. Such files were "word salad" when opened in MS Office was the claim.

So which is it, MS apologists? Do people using MS Office have endless trouble opening files sent to them from elsewhere, or don't they?

Hmmmmmm? Enquiring minds want to know.

Do try to get your story straight.

Edited 2011-06-27 01:51 UTC

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