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Privacy, Security, Encryption Well, after 50 days of causing amok on the web, the guys and/or girls behind LulzSec have called it quits last night. After hacking into the systems of various Arizona law enforcement agencies and releasing countless internal documents, they published a statement on Pastebin yesterday, dumping yet another boatload of data on The Pirate Bay, and announcing their disbanding.
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RE: Democracy
by spiderman on Mon 27th Jun 2011 08:44 UTC in reply to "Democracy"
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But there is no democracy. The rich people in countries like the USA or western Europe have all the power. That is called an oligarchy. Try to put yourself in the shoes of a poor guy who want to cross the border to get a better life. Sorry guy, we voted you out. Can the guy vote? No, sorry but democracy voted that you do not vote. The people outside the border do not participate in democracy. Democracy is a joke. It is just there to entertain the people. The power is financial, it does not belong to the people. If you have the money you can immigrate in any country you want. They will be happy to grant you "citizenship" (what a joke) and help you set foot there the best they can. It you don't have the money then get out of "our" soil, we have the right to control our immigration. And you call that democracy...

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RE[2]: Democracy
by ricegf on Mon 27th Jun 2011 11:48 in reply to "RE: Democracy"
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So let me get this straight. Our country isn't a democracy (sic) unless we let NON-citizens outside our border vote on the laws under which we'll live? Seriously?

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RE[3]: Democracy
by spiderman on Mon 27th Jun 2011 13:27 in reply to "RE[2]: Democracy"
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Democracy is not about voting. Your country gives you an illusion of democracy that looks like democracy from within. They teach you that you live in a democracy since birth and the proof is that you vote. Actually they cherry pick the citizens based on the money they have. If there was a real democracy, all the immigrants would have the same power as the other citizens no matter how much money they have. As it stands, many immigrants are illegal. They still live under your law but it's not the same law that you live under and they have no say in whatever. You call them illegals and pretend to have democracy. This is a joke.

Edited 2011-06-27 13:34 UTC

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RE[2]: Democracy
by jefro on Mon 27th Jun 2011 16:05 in reply to "RE: Democracy"
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You mis-understand. It is not poor people crossing the boarder for a better life. It is cheap, no good employers that hire them. The employers only pay half or less what the job should pay. I still say it is a simple form of slavery.

I also don't feel bad for anyone in Mexico. They are a member of OPEC. If Mexico were to get honest people in charge they would have Americans sneaking across the boarder.

By the way, millions and millions of poor Mexican and Central American's have become legal citizens based on blanket policies that simply allow anyone in the country to be a citizen.

Only a small fraction of immigrants are from wealthy backgrounds.

Edited 2011-06-27 16:08 UTC

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RE[3]: Democracy
by spiderman on Mon 27th Jun 2011 16:50 in reply to "RE[2]: Democracy"
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I fully agree. This is modern slavery. They did the right thing in Spain when they gave papers to all the "illegal immigrants". Then they went after the employers and forced them to enforce the safety rules and to pay them according to their legal worker status. That is the democratic thing to do. Ousting them is definitely not democratic and should not be confused with democracy.

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