Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 29th Jun 2011 15:04 UTC
Apple Well, this just got interesting. There's been a bit of a backlash over Apple's Final Cut X Pro, which is considered a step down from previous versions by many professional videographers, as they claim it lacks countless features - leading to the nickname 'iMovie Pro'. Former Shake product designer and former Apple employee Ron Brinkmann has now weighed in on the situation. His advice to professionals? Don't rely on companies like Apple.
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This whole thing is total BS.
by Sabon on Wed 29th Jun 2011 16:57 UTC
Sabon
Member since:
2005-07-06

The whole brouhaha over Apple not caring about pro users is such BS and utter stupidity that it tells me that the "pros" that are complaining are as stupid as the dumbest dog you can you ever remember.

Seriously, this is version ONE.O people. ONE.O. ONE.O this is not version 5.0 of this completely from the ground up rewritten version of Final Cut.

You CAN NOT just take 32 bit code and sprinkle fairy dust on it and suddenly make it OPTIMIZED 64 code. That does not happen. What you get is code that is HORRIBLY UNOPTIMIZED because optimized 32 bit code and optimized 64 bit code are DIFFERENT.

This doesn't take into account that they didn't just convert the exact same code from 32 bit to 64 but TOTALLY re-imagined to ultimately make editing video a LOT easier.

HOLD ON to any comments you have. Go back to this being ONE.O for this re-imagining. There is no person and no company in the world that can totally transform/re-imagine a huge complex program and have EVERYTHING fully mature when it first comes out. Anything that thinks otherwise is a fool or an idiot or an idiot fool.

Re-imagining software is not easy and is only for the most bold. Steve Jobs being bold does not mean that Apple is moving away from Pro users. What it means that you can't have ALL the features they are going to support like multi-camera, etc., in version one.o. And most of the other beefs that I've read about I've read about work a rounds.

Also, the previous version of Final Cut Pro didn't suddenly stop working.

AND, the previous version of Final Cut Pro DOES run on Lion.

If you are Pro or Pro wannabe and you can't live without some of the features from the "old" version, keep using the old version until the new version has everything you need in it.

No it isn't going to convert your old projects into FCP X. Think about it. HOW would you convert it? This is like moving from a horse and buggy to a car. Just try to use a whip on a car and make it drive faster? Put an accelerator pedal on a buggy and what would happen? Whatever would happen would definitely be different mechanically than with a car.

The whole point of the new version is to totally throw out the stone age way of doing things and moving things into the modern age that FCP users have been clamoring for years to have. Now that Apple has shown you the first version of it I'm hearing a bunch of people crying about it.

Apple has not left Pro users. You can still use the old version, especially for existing projects. Apple cannot pull this off of your computer. You can keep it for as long as you have your computer. You may not be able to upgrade your OS to whatever is past Lion but that is at least a couple of years away. By then all the features you need plus plug-ins from other companies will probably be there so you can create new projects using the new version.

In the meantime, quit saying the sky is falling when it isn't falling.

Edited 2011-06-29 17:11 UTC

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Mmm.

Random dude on the web... Or creator of Shake, and long-time (in the tech world) former Apple employee.

Sorry, the odds are you against you, Sabon.

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phoudoin Member since:
2006-06-09

Seriously, this is version ONE.O people. ONE.O. ONE.O this is not version 5.0 of this completely from the ground up rewritten version of Final Cut.


Except that Apple's marketing it as being the version "X" of an existing "pro" software, not version One of an all new "pro" software.
It's called "Final Cut Pro X", like before the previous versions were called "Final Cut Pro 7" and "Final Cut Pro 6".

Same product name, only the version suffix changed. And this suffix is always increasing, like MacOS X was dubbed MacOS "10" by Apple to both keep the link with older (outdated, in fact) MacOS version, so offering a great upgrade path, but with an all new code redesign.

There is no way to get from this that :
- it's a new product, not an upgrade.
- it won't be able to load projects done with a previous version because, hey, it's an all new product so there is no projects made with a previous version yet :-)
- the Pro required features won't be the main focus anymore.

May Apple have choosed to use a new name (Final iMovie Cut anyone?) for this software, you'll have a very valid point. But it's not the case.

Imagine one second that next Microsoft Office version, even heavily redesigned, will lack the ability to load documents made by the previous versionn, not a very old version, no, simply the previous one.
What will you say then?
Seriously?

Sounds like your opinion is tainted here.

Edited 2011-06-29 17:27 UTC

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Sabon Member since:
2005-07-06

Really? Actually they aren't saying what you THINK they are saying.

They are saying this is the FUTURE of FCP and that for a lot of people who don't use tape anymore and don't need to import/convert their old projects and don't currently need multi-camera support, then this will be a great product for them.

For the rest of FCP users, including you, this is a very tasty look into the future of what you and/or other pro users will be using.

[quote]Imagine one second that next Microsoft Office version, even heavily redesigned, will lack the ability to load documents made by the previous version. What will you say then? Seriously. [/quote]

What I would say is, IF I used Microsoft products, which I don't, is that is a very cool look at a future version of MS Office and that I'll stick with the old version until the new version is ready. My old version would still be there and usable.

PS: Microsoft has done that time and again already. It is not an "if" about Microsoft. It is an "they've already done that" and here they go again.

Edited 2011-06-29 17:27 UTC

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apoclypse Member since:
2007-02-17

"Seriously, this is version ONE.O people. ONE.O. ONE.O this is not version 5.0 of this completely from the ground up rewritten version of Final Cut.


Except that Apple's marketing it as being the version "X" of an existing "pro" software, not version One of an all new "pro" software.
It's called "Final Cut Pro X", like before the previous versions were called "Final Cut Pro 7" and "Final Cut Pro 6".

Same product name, only the version suffix changed. And this suffix is always increasing, like MacOS X was dubbed MacOS "10" by Apple to both keep the link with older (outdated, in fact) MacOS version, so offering a great upgrade path, but with an all new code redesign.

There is no way to get from this that :
- it's a new product, not an upgrade.
- it won't be able to load projects done with a previous version because, hey, it's an all new product so there is no projects made with a previous version yet :-)
- the Pro required features won't be the main focus anymore.

May Apple have choosed to use a new name (Final iMovie Cut anyone?) for this software, you'll have a very valid point. But it's not the case.

Imagine one second that next Microsoft Office version, even heavily redesigned, will lack the ability to load documents made by the previous versionn, not a very old version, no, simply the previous one.
What will you say then?
Seriously?

Sounds like your opinion is tainted here.
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On that note Apple should have been more clear on some of these points. I don't agree with your statement about the X. I mean going from version 7 to version ten is a damn big leap don't you think? So you have to think that the X is just a way for Apple to denote a huge change in the software. The same happened with Quicktime. Quicktime X and quiktime 7 aren't using the same codebase. Anyone who has been following Apple over the years would know this. So did all of those these professionals, who btw were cheering their asses off when Apple demoed FCPX at NAB, but now choose to complain about what is essentially a completely different platform and software.

It really does remind me quite a bit of the same complaints people had about OSX. How did that turn out? I think they are complaining (like all pro users do) that Apple didn't give them more of the same with shiny features tacked on. That's exactly what the OS9 crowd complained about. Where Apple did fail is completely dropping support for FCP7, though imo, if you are a professional who uses FCP then you should already have the software. Apple isn't going to your Mac and removing the software.

Either way I think Apple will add the features as time goes on. I don't think they care about tape so they will probably leave that to third parties.

Edited 2011-06-29 19:31 UTC

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