Linked by martini on Wed 29th Jun 2011 09:50 UTC
OS/2 and eComStation OpenJDK had been released as GA for OS/2 and eComStaion. This allows eCS-OS2 users to run modern Java apps on their platform. The development is open source and had been in part sponsored by donations of the community.
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RE[3]: Java apps?
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Wed 29th Jun 2011 18:51 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Java apps?"
Bill Shooter of Bul
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2006-07-14

Kdevelop... nice and fast!

But seriously, Java GUI's are pretty bad. I can't think of a good one. I was really hoping that Java on osx would be insanely great due to the closer integration, but they didn't really keep the development of it. Now I believe they've punted Java back to Oracle to develop for the system instead of tweaking it specifically for OSX.

Edited 2011-06-29 18:53 UTC

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RE[4]: Java apps?
by pantheraleo on Wed 29th Jun 2011 19:48 in reply to "RE[3]: Java apps?"
pantheraleo Member since:
2007-03-07

Kdevelop... nice and fast!


KDevelop is maybe 10% as powerful as Eclipse, NetBeans, or IDEA? Seriously, Kdevelop is a toy compared to any of the big three Java IDEs. It doesn't have nearly the features or capabilities

But seriously, Java GUI's are pretty bad. I can't think of a good one.


You just haven't looked at the right GUIs then. The following are all pure Java apps, using Swing. I would say these GUIs are up to par with any native application, wouldn't you?

http://www.techteam.gr/mac/screenshots/12094.jpg

http://www.ultramixer.com/products/res/pics/screenshot-ultramixer-3...

http://gopaultech.com/wp-content/images/looking_glass.jpg

http://sourceforge.net/dbimage.php?id=36036

http://www.jug-bb.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/netbeans67beta_osx....

Again, I think you just haven't looked at the right applications if you think all Java GUIs are pretty bad.

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RE[5]: Java apps?
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Wed 29th Jun 2011 20:10 in reply to "RE[4]: Java apps?"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Kdevelop is as much of an IDE as I need. A "More powerful" Ide doesn't do me any good if it consumes too much memory, is too slow, and suffers from stability and display integrity problems.

Now that I think of it, Slick edit is also incredibly fast, or was when I last used it six years ago.


Also you're sending me screen shots. I didn't mean they look bad, just that they perform poorly. Native applications run with in virtual machines run smoother than java applications on local host.

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RE[4]: Java apps?
by pantheraleo on Wed 29th Jun 2011 20:08 in reply to "RE[3]: Java apps?"
pantheraleo Member since:
2007-03-07

I was really hoping that Java on osx would be insanely great due to the closer integration


Java is insanely great on OS X. As my first screenshot of the Java based financial management software Moneydance shows. The issue wasn't with Java, it was with Java developers who were not familiar with Macs, and didn't bother learning about how to set Apple's specific widget properties in order to rounded search boxes, brushed metal look, brushed metal style buttons, etc. Since most Java developers didn't have have Macs, they didn't spend anytime at all tweaking their apps for OS X. As a result, most Java apps on OS X use the older default Aqua look instead of the newer gray look. And they use the older Aqua style buttons instead of the newer style. Java supports the newer styles. But you have to enable them by passing properties to Java.

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RE[5]: Java apps?
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Wed 29th Jun 2011 20:12 in reply to "RE[4]: Java apps?"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

No that might be great, but not insanely so. Java was supposed to be write once, run everywhere. I was hoping it wouldn't require any additional effort from developers. That a crappy app on windows ( due to the Java Gui problems) would be automatically awesome on the mac, due to the tweaks that Apple would make to the Java virtual machine.

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