Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 5th Jul 2011 22:12 UTC
Microsoft "One of Microsoft's hottest new profit centers is a smartphone platform you've definitely heard of: Android. Google's Linux-based mobile operating system is a favorite target for Microsoft's patent attorneys, who are suing numerous Android vendors and just today announced that another manufacturer has agreed to write checks to Microsoft every time it ships an Android device. Microsoft's latest target is Wistron Corp., which has signed a patent agreement 'that provides broad coverage under Microsoft's patent portfolio for Wistron's tablets, mobile phones, e-readers and other consumer devices running the Android or Chrome platform', Microsoft announced." That's the reality we live in, folks. This is at least as criminal - if not more so - than Microsoft's monopoly abuse late last century. After the Nortel crap, it's completely left the black helicopter camp for me: Microsoft, Apple, and several others are working together to fight Android the only way they know how: with underhand mafia tactics. Absolutely sickening. Hey Anonymous, are you listening? YES I WENT THERE.
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RE[3]: Patents are patents
by bnolsen on Wed 6th Jul 2011 00:26 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Patents are patents"
bnolsen
Member since:
2006-01-06

Patents of mathematical algorithms, and I'll add "use cases" are very damaging. A big part of innovation is also bringing something to market, not just *think* of the idea.

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RE[4]: Patents are patents
by pantheraleo on Wed 6th Jul 2011 00:30 in reply to "RE[3]: Patents are patents"
pantheraleo Member since:
2007-03-07

A big part of innovation is also bringing something to market, not just *think* of the idea.


Except I'm not going to spend the money to *think* of the idea if I know someone else can just come along and steal it from me. Instead, I'm gonna sit back, let you spend the money to think of the idea, and then steal it from you, copy it, and undercut your prices on a competing product because my costs to develop it were lower since I let you do half the work. Do you think that's fair? Because that is what happens if there is no patent protection.

Edited 2011-07-06 00:32 UTC

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RE[5]: Patents are patents
by TechGeek on Wed 6th Jul 2011 00:42 in reply to "RE[4]: Patents are patents"
TechGeek Member since:
2006-01-14

Funny, that sounds an awful lot like what Microsoft is doing. They didnt have the smarts enough to create a phone environment that anyone wanted. So that go after their competitor using litigation of probably baseless patents to extract income for work someone else created. We're not talking about a company that invented a new type of fusion reactor. We are talking about patents that probably cover ideas with prior art, or are so trivial they won't stand up to scrutiny. Microsoft knows this. Otherwise they would be very vocal about what patents they own that are being infringed. Instead they try to hide behind a vale of NDA's. They are basically threatening to nuke you when all they really have is a lead pipe. If this is all that software patents are good for, that is even more reason for them to be abolished.

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RE[5]: Patents are patents
by vivainio on Wed 6th Jul 2011 01:17 in reply to "RE[4]: Patents are patents"
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26

Except I'm not going to spend the money to *think* of the idea if I know someone else can just come along and steal it from me.


Ok, don't. It's your choice how you decide to make money, take risks etc.

Ideas are dime a dozen, implementation is king. If you can't compete with implementation, do something else.

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RE[5]: Patents are patents
by JAlexoid on Wed 6th Jul 2011 16:09 in reply to "RE[4]: Patents are patents"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

Ideas are worthless... Ask any of the startup companies. There are thousands of people coming up with ideas and most of them have very similar ideas. Simply because the constraints and needs are very similar.

We already had this discussion with you.

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danger_nakamura Member since:
2011-06-21

Really?!?

You think that NO ONE will come up with ideas if there is no mafiaesque system of protection in place for their ideas? NO ONE will write ANY software? The entire free software movement seems to give the lie to this idea.

There is no "right" to profit from an endeavor. The question of patents (and of copyright for that matter) was predicated on the idea that society would benefit. Software patents don't seem to meet this bargain. It seems that, if anything, software developers are crippled by patents because obvious and enivitable code solutions are artificially blocked by some prick that stood on line at the patent office first.

I will use myself as an example... I have a lot of ideas for software that I would LOVE to bring to market. Software patents and the threat that they represent have prevented me from taking the initiative. I don't want to deal with the hassle. And yes, I am am more than willing to deal with "rip-offs" and free competitors rather than litigious asshats.

So many defenders of patents raise the irrelevent and erroneous point of an innovators "right" to profit. This was not part of the original discussion, and should not be entertained now. It has nothing to do with it.

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danger_nakamura Member since:
2011-06-21

Except I'm not going to spend the money to *think* of the idea if I know someone else can just come along and steal it from me. Instead, I'm gonna sit back, let you spend the money to think of the idea, and then steal it from you, copy it, and undercut your prices on a competing product because my costs to develop it were lower since I let you do half the work. Do you think that's fair? Because that is what happens if there is no patent protection.


How can this happen if, according to you, there is no incentive for anyone to think up ideas? Who will you steal the ideas from? We'll all be busy picking pansies in a field... that is unless someone patents that idea.

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