Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 6th Jul 2011 14:00 UTC
Microsoft Well, paint me red and call me a girl scout, I totally did not see this one coming at all. This is so utterly surprising it made my brain explode. Hold on to your panties, because this will rock your world. After pressuring several smaller Android vendors into submission (and yes, HTC is still relatively small compared to other players), Microsoft is now moving on to the big one: Redmond is demanding $15 for every Samsung Android device sold. Samsung's choices are simple: pay up, or face another epic lawsuit.
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It's offical OSNews is /.
by Not2Sure on Wed 6th Jul 2011 18:39 UTC
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2009-12-07

1) Holwerda your knowledge and understanding of software patents is limited to a personal bias and a bunch of wikipedia reading. You are so wrong about it I would suggest rereading at least 3x before you hit that submit button.

2) Samsung approached Microsoft in this instance not the other way around. By all accounts they are negotiating the price not debating whether to pay. It is not extortion. Get a life. Face it, when all these companines start paying, they know something you don't (or alternatively the profit margin on smartphones is so insanely high they are all colluding to rip off consumers on a global scale).

3) Android infringes on many levels. If you continue to say it isn't so with all this mounting evidence then you're blind. Wait till Oracle starts getting their piece.

4) Google/Rubin have ensnared everyone (even the revenue from independent software developers writing apps for Android are in theory liable) with their Kool-Aid. Some of us pointed this out when this whole love affair ("We will revolutionize the mobile industry!") started and were largely ignored. Reap what you sow bitches. Personally, I think it's their strategy: "Judge, how can you patent air?" "Judge, how can you shut down the economy of our nation? Issuing an injunction when we refuse to pay is against national security interests" etc etc.

5) Google is attempting to become the Too Big To Fail of Silicon Valley. They will attempt to destroy software patents because they don't really care about making money from software, just ads and monetizing your privacy. The rest of you can fail, we are NOT evil, blah blah blah.

6) Consumers are idiots because they are led by a nonsensical media to support only two vendors in some Good v Evil mythology battle.

When I read the comments of all the "software developers" in this thread deploring the state of software patents, all I can respond is "Really?"

Did you not realize this is the industry in which you work? These were the rules of the game? Oh, that's right you're a bunch of cubicle drones and leave all the real thinking to the suits in the offices you deplore, or whatever. Seriously, step outside of the reality distortion fields and think about what you're doing. It's your life. This is your bread and butter we are talking about here.

It's like people in the oil biz or the gambling industries. It's sleazy and it's been that way forever. That's the way software works and is able to make money. The only person who has ever stood up for change and articulated an alternative business model is RMS. But we all know how most software developers think about his agenda.

Edited 2011-07-06 18:40 UTC

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

1) Holwerda your knowledge and understanding of software patents is limited to a personal bias and a bunch of wikipedia reading. You are so wrong about it I would suggest rereading at least 3x before you hit that submit button.


On which counts am I wrong? Could you elaborate? Be more specific?

2) Samsung approached Microsoft in this instance not the other way around. By all accounts they are negotiating the price not debating whether to pay. It is not extortion.


Got any proof to back up that claim? I'm interested, because I haven't seen it made anywhere else as of yet. I'd love to know if it's indeed true Samsung approached Microsoft.

However, even if they did, it doesn't really change anything about this being extortion. If I have a group of thugs beat up everyone in your town except you, and then the group of thugs stands in front of your house, waiting, hand-wringing - you'd try to work something out or fight back, right? Isn't that the same as extortion?

3) Android infringes on many levels. If you continue to say it isn't so with all this mounting evidence then you're blind. Wait till Oracle starts getting their piece.


I never denied that it did. I think few did. It's just that a majority - at least here on OSNews, and in Europe - think software patents should be illegal.

4) Google/Rubin have ensnared everyone (even the revenue from independent software developers writing apps for Android are in theory liable) with their Kool-Aid. Some of us pointed this out when this whole love affair ("We will revolutionize the mobile industry!") started and were largely ignored. Reap what you sow bitches. Personally, I think it's their strategy: "Judge, how can you patent air?" "Judge, how can you shut down the economy of our nation? Issuing an injunction when we refuse to pay is against national security interests" etc etc.


I honestly don't know what this rambling even means.

5) Google is attempting to become the Too Big To Fail of Silicon Valley. They will attempt to destroy software patents because they don't really care about making money from software, just ads and monetizing your privacy. The rest of you can fail, we are NOT evil, blah blah blah.


This I somewhat grasp through the clear issues you seem to have with Google. Heck, I don't like Google either, but if they manage to destroy software patents? Good on 'm.

6) Consumers are idiots because they are led by a nonsensical media to support only two vendors in some Good v Evil mythology battle.


Okidoki man.

When I read the comments of all the "software developers" in this thread deploring the state of software patents, all I can respond is "Really?"

Did you not realize this is the industry in which you work? These were the rules of the game? Oh, that's right you're a bunch of cubicle drones and leave all the real thinking to the suits in the offices you deplore, or whatever. Seriously, step outside of the reality distortion fields and think about what you're doing. It's your life. This is your bread and butter we are talking about here.


So, people are not allowed to complain about or fight against something they don't like just because they're part of it? Does this apply only to business and jobs, or also the government? Should I accept the sad fact that a right-wing extremist is in my government and just shut up about it because these are the rules of the game?

Fascinating view on life, there.

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RE: It's offical OSNews is /.
by jabbotts on Wed 6th Jul 2011 19:18 in reply to "It's offical OSNews is /."
jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06


Android infringes on many levels.


I'd love to see a list of what patents Android is infringing on. It would be second only to seeing the list of what 400-some-odd patents the Linux kernel allegedly infringes on.

Until the patents infringed are listed for open discussion, this is all court room theater.

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Windows Sucks Member since:
2005-11-10

[i]I'd love to see a list of what patents Android is infringing on. It would be second only to seeing the list of what 400-some-odd patents the Linux kernel allegedly infringes on.

Until the patents infringed are listed for open discussion, this is all court room theater. [/q][/i]

I guess you have not been paying attention as of late because Microsoft has listed the patents they feel Android is violating in their cases against Moto and Barnes and Nobles.

http://www.unwiredview.com/2010/10/03/microsoft-vs-motorola-what-ex...

And the judge has supported MS patents in the first round of review (15 out of the 17 MS sued for) So to say that Android and or Linux does not violate any MS patents is just talk.

Only reason these have not been tested in the past is that everyone but Red Hat who has been selling Linux has patents and or money. Red Hat and Google both don't actually sell Linux so MS has not chosen to sue them cause I am sure Ret Hat will say we sell support and give away the software and Google will say we give away Android and make money off services.

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allanregistos Member since:
2011-02-10

1) Holwerda your knowledge and understanding of software patents is limited to a personal bias and a bunch of wikipedia reading. You are so wrong about it I would suggest rereading at least 3x before you hit that submit button.

We should not cross the border and must stay in the field where we can be called the masters. ;) It is not the first time the author often talk about the subject he doesn't know about or the apparent lack of research. The result is we only entertain our own biases like this one:
http://www.osnews.com/thread?476942
Theology is a complex discipline.

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RE: It's offical OSNews is /.
by tomcat on Sat 9th Jul 2011 04:04 in reply to "It's offical OSNews is /."
tomcat Member since:
2006-01-06

Best comment e-ver. ;-)

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