Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 11th Jul 2011 21:34 UTC, submitted by sb56637
Legal Blah blah Apple whines about a bunch of software patents again. Go cry in a corner, Jobs. Either find a strategy that counters the rise of Android, or just suck it up and be a man about it. Oh, HTC is the target this time around. Again. Whatever.
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RE[2]: Find a strategy
by rhavyn on Mon 11th Jul 2011 23:43 UTC in reply to "RE: Find a strategy"
rhavyn
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2005-07-06

"[q]Either find a strategy that counters the rise of Android


Apple is having no problem's competing in the marketplace, no matter how many times you claim they are.
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Idiots are out in force, I see. You quote Thom saying that Apple needs to counter the rise of Android without underhanded methods. Like, producing a better phone. You may have read it as Thom saying Android reigns supreme. It may not now, but it nearly does, see below. [/q]

I eagerly await your response.


All your links are dubious.


Well, that's quite the let down for a response, maybe we'll get to the meat later.

Apple may by the single largest seller, but are they the single largest selling platform? No, that’s Android.


Oh, so Apple is unsuccessful because six or seven other companies combined beat them in sales. That's convincing. (Also, I note the lack of any link to back that up, show us the iOS vs Android numbers to prove your point .. and you said platform so remember to include the iPad)

Apple may take the largest handset profit, all that highlights is they have a large profit margin per handset… we’re not all Apple investors, this doesn’t matter to us.


So we'll just ignore how business' define success and use our own metric. I mean, look at Motorola, they sell Andriod (the highest selling platform per you) and they're loosing money. Clearly that's the way to go.

Android US growth is not flat, just look at these graphs from the raw US comScore data. http://www.catb.org/esr/comscore/ It’s "flat" at 2% m/m growth?!


You're comparing two different things. The comscore measure shows sales grown, the Neilsen number shows acquisition growth. Apple is growing by gaining more new smartphone users, Android just has a lot of repeat customers.

If they had no problem competing, they would not be suing companies for patent infringement and approaching the ITC to get products blocked from entering the US.


Or, in the real world, Apple is using all of the tools at it's disposal which would include intellectual property. Anyone who is claiming that Apple is failing in the market is an idiot, full stop. It takes 6 companies and god knows how many products to compete with Apple and their 2 devices (both over a year old now). I know Apple haters hate that Apple is successful but they are the most successful cell phone company out there by any business measure.

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RE[3]: Find a strategy
by TechGeek on Tue 12th Jul 2011 00:09 in reply to "RE[2]: Find a strategy"
TechGeek Member since:
2006-01-14

You're comparing two different things. The comscore measure shows sales grown, the Neilsen number shows acquisition growth. Apple is growing by gaining more new smartphone users, Android just has a lot of repeat customers.

[q]If they had no problem competing, they would not be suing companies for patent infringement and approaching the ITC to get products blocked from entering the US.


Or, in the real world, Apple is using all of the tools at it's disposal which would include intellectual property. Anyone who is claiming that Apple is failing in the market is an idiot, full stop. It takes 6 companies and god knows how many products to compete with Apple and their 2 devices (both over a year old now). I know Apple haters hate that Apple is successful but they are the most successful cell phone company out there by any business measure.


So your suggesting that people are just out there buying android device after android device with relatively fewer new customers than Apple? Apple, the company that EXPECTS its customers to upgrade to each and every revision of their products they produce? Puh-lease! The only thing that matters is units sold. Period.

As for Apple being the most successful cell phone company ever, what the hell are you smoking. They have been in the cell phone market for just over 4 years. If they were the best why wasn't it Apple that invented the cell phone? Oh wait that's right. They only know how to take what other people have done and make it new and shiny for their dubs. Seriously, if Apple wants to talk about theft of IP, lets talk about the features they copied off of Android in their latest iPad release announcement (like notifications, split keyboard, PC free).

Edited 2011-07-12 00:12 UTC

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RE[3]: Find a strategy
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Tue 12th Jul 2011 15:14 in reply to "RE[2]: Find a strategy"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Or, in the real world, Apple is using all of the tools at it's disposal which would include intellectual property


Yes. It appears that they do not believe that their products ( despite the slanted numbers given earlier) are capable of meeting the challenge of Android without using software patents. This is what Thom said.

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