Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 11th Jul 2011 21:34 UTC, submitted by sb56637
Legal Blah blah Apple whines about a bunch of software patents again. Go cry in a corner, Jobs. Either find a strategy that counters the rise of Android, or just suck it up and be a man about it. Oh, HTC is the target this time around. Again. Whatever.
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RE: Find a strategy
by molnarcs on Tue 12th Jul 2011 04:48 UTC in reply to "Find a strategy"
molnarcs
Member since:
2005-09-10

"Either find a strategy that counters the rise of Android


Apple is the #1 smartphone vendor in the U.S. by units sold: http://www.bgr.com/2011/07/11/apple-is-no-1-smartphone-vendor-in-u-...

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Apple is having no problem's competing in the marketplace, no matter how many times you claim they are.
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If you were not so US centric, you'd see the writing on the wall, just like Apple does. There are countries where their market collapsed. Yes, vanished. They went from a 70% market share in Korea to basically 1-2%, while Android got itself a 95% market share. Check the trends in Taiwan and Japan as well. These are all "early-adopter" markets - trend setters, so to speak, especially in Asia.

This also tells quite a different story from NIELSEN:
http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-US-monthly-201007-201105

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RE[2]: Find a strategy
by rhavyn on Tue 12th Jul 2011 15:29 in reply to "RE: Find a strategy"
rhavyn Member since:
2005-07-06

"[q]Either find a strategy that counters the rise of Android


Apple is the #1 smartphone vendor in the U.S. by units sold: http://www.bgr.com/2011/07/11/apple-is-no-1-smartphone-vendor-in-u-...

...

Apple is having no problem's competing in the marketplace, no matter how many times you claim they are.
"

If you were not so US centric, you'd see the writing on the wall, just like Apple does. There are countries where their market collapsed. Yes, vanished. They went from a 70% market share in Korea to basically 1-2%, while Android got itself a 95% market share. Check the trends in Taiwan and Japan as well. These are all "early-adopter" markets - trend setters, so to speak, especially in Asia. [/q]

Except, those are all made up numbers. The most recent data I could find shows iOS has 26.5% of the Korean market: http://nielsfootman.com/android-winner-korea-smartphone-boom/
And Korea, specifically, it's difficult to say much because smartphone penetration is very low (only 18% of registers phones there are smartphones, approximately 10 million units total), new device releases can cause massive swings in market share.

In Japan the iPhone makes up 38% of the market and is the single best selling phone: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-05-10/android-handsets-surpas....

I'm not going to bother looking Taiwan's numbers since it's pretty clear you didn't bother to either.

This also tells quite a different story from NIELSEN:
http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-US-monthly-201007-201105


Which is funny because that graph shows Android growth has been flat since March.

But, hey, post something with completely made up numbers that fits what the people moderating here want to see and get voted up. So congrats on that.

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RE[3]: Find a strategy
by molnarcs on Tue 12th Jul 2011 15:58 in reply to "RE[2]: Find a strategy"
molnarcs Member since:
2005-09-10

Except, those are all made up numbers. The most recent data I could find shows iOS has 26.5% of the Korean market: http://nielsfootman.com/android-winner-korea-smartphone-boom/


Did you check the title you linked to for ffs? Let me spell it out for you: Android the Big Winner in Korea’s Ongoing Smartphone Boom Is that the best you can come up with to counter my points? Besides, I didn't make up those numbers - they come from statcounter:
http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-KR-monthly-201007-201105

In Japan the iPhone makes up 38% of the market and is the single best selling phone: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-05-10/android-handsets-surpas....


Nice try. However, I was talking about iOS vs Android, not manufacturer X vs Y. And again, for god's sakes, take a look at the title of the article: Android Handsets Surpass IPhone in Japan Smartphone Market Share

I'm not going to bother looking Taiwan's numbers since it's pretty clear you didn't bother to either.


Alright, I'll do you the favour. Android and iOS marketshare met at about 37% in February. Since than, iOS marketshare shrank to 32% while Android grew to about 45%. The rest of the smartphone OSs didn't change much (about 5% in the same period). It is clear that Android is eating into iOS marketshare on the high-end - unless you suggest the Taiwanese (and the Japanese) are buying cheap Android handsets coming from Chinese mom & pop shops ;)

Which is funny because that graph shows Android growth has been flat since March.


Fell in March than started to grow in April. In the same time period, iOS shrank.

But, hey, post something with completely made up numbers that fits what the people moderating here want to see and get voted up. So congrats on that.


Do I detect a hint of bitterness there? Hey, all I'm saying is that Android is eating Apple's lunch, and they can see it - indeed, it would be rather foolish of Apple not to perceive Android as a threat. A year ago, things looked different. The so called analysts expected Android growth on the low-end, and Apple is not interested in that. By now, it is pretty clear that they were wrong. Apple sees that. Apple fanboys apparently don't. Instead, you're trying to discredit me by strawmen arguments: you changed the subject from Android vs iOS to Apple iPhone vs other manufacturers. I never mentioned specific handsets - I was writing about smartphone OSs.

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