Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 11th Jul 2011 21:34 UTC, submitted by sb56637
Legal Blah blah Apple whines about a bunch of software patents again. Go cry in a corner, Jobs. Either find a strategy that counters the rise of Android, or just suck it up and be a man about it. Oh, HTC is the target this time around. Again. Whatever.
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RE[2]: Find a strategy
by rhavyn on Tue 12th Jul 2011 15:16 UTC in reply to "RE: Find a strategy"
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1) If they don't feel threatened, why are they fighting with HTC? Suing you competitors is a sign of weakness. Though I can understand the trade dress lawsuit against Samsung.

Do you believe that competing is a sign of weakness? Do you think HTC wouldn't be filing lawsuits against Apple if they felt it would help their business? Anyone who thinks that filing lawsuits isn't just another part of business isn't living in reality. This is how things have been done for 100s of years.

2) Are you a shareholder? Who the *** cares about how much Apple makes. It's great that they make more off their customers. That means they have a good business. Nothing else. Retire that argument, it's useless...

If Thom wants to talk about successful competition then pointing out that Apple is the most profitable cell phone company in the world is hugely important. How do you propose we measure the success of a business, by taking a poll?

3) And yet Android results in 11% more than iPhone still... And it's not falling.

Which is irrelevant as to whether or not Apple is successfully competing. By any rational measure they are extremely successful in the cell phone business.

They are whiners because when they get hit with patent infringement lawsuits, you can't stop hearing how bad the patents are. But when it comes to their own...

So this is all a matter of you being butthurt because Apple doesn't say exactly what you want them to say. And, honestly, I see no real hypocrisy in complaining about what you see as bad patents even if you support patents in general, which is what I believe you mostly hear from Apple. The fact that you believe Apple's patents are also bad still doesn't make they hypocrites.

Really, it'd be a lot easier if someone put up a "we hate business" banner somewhere on this site so that it's clear we're not even trying to have a rational discussion.

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RE[3]: Find a strategy
by JAlexoid on Tue 12th Jul 2011 21:06 in reply to "RE[2]: Find a strategy"
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#1 Where is the lawsuit against everyone else? You know, since it helps in competing... When you're not sure what to throw at your competitor, you load up the lawyer catapult.

#2 - He didn't even mention competing. So I reiterate my point - retire that argument because it's irrelevant. When we'll be talking earnings calls and profits, then be my guest and use that argument.

#3 - Who said they are not competing? Didn't I say that they are running a very good business? Or the pseudo-religious anger blinded you to see only the criticism?

Thank you for proving my point from another post - all people are hypocrites, but some have convinced themselves that they are not.

I don't hate business. I hate corporations, just because at the end of the day you can't really blame them for anything bad they do. Corporations are the epitome of communal responsibility - no one is really responsible for anything. Thankfully not all businesses are corporations.

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RE[4]: Find a strategy
by Alfman on Tue 12th Jul 2011 21:38 in reply to "RE[3]: Find a strategy"
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"I don't hate business. I hate corporations, just because at the end of the day you can't really blame them for anything bad they do."

I largely agree with your stance on the ridiculousness of software patents in general. It has everything to do with a corporate land grab and nothing to do with innovation.

But I'm not understanding your distinction between business and corporations. Don't all legal businesses either incorporate or form an LLC (in the US)? Maybe you are using a definition of corporation which I am not familiar with?

Can I assume that you mean a public corporation owned by shareholders who consider themselves to be isolated from the immoral actions of their company?

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