Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 12th Jul 2011 20:47 UTC
Legal Tell 'm like it is, HTC. "HTC is disappointed at Apple's constant attempts at litigations instead of competing fairly in the market," said HTC general counsel Grace Lei in a statement, "HTC strongly denies all infringement claims raised by Apple in the past and present and reiterates our determination and commitment to protect our intellectual property rights."
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Jennimc
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2011-06-22

Just to make sure I understand you Thom... it's a scam when someone copies from osnews... but not a scam when people copy Apple?

For the record copying an idea to get things done is not the same as copying the product itself. Notifications is a idea to get things done. The execution on how its done if copied can be litigated if its a genuine copy.

If Apple copied Google's notification then yes Apple should be sued.... though not by HTC, Samsung, LG, Motorola or Sony Ericsson (what case do you believe any of these companies have against Apple?) but by Google. I'm not familiar enough with Google's implementation nor Apple's to say if copying did occur and because Apple's implementation isn't yet released... neither do you.

The application store is similar in that its an idea to get things done. Apple didn't copy any other mobile application store so I'm going to assume that you're confused about what's able to be protected under patent and what's not.

The other items you elude to that Apple supposedly copied from Palm require more explanation before a response can be given. But yes, if Apple copied the implementation then absolutely, Apple should be sued. That nobody has sued Apple thus far over these apparent issues says that they in fact did not copy them rather than Palm having a generous philosophy as it sounds like you believe.

I stuck up for you... I said you weren't a hypocrite. I'd hate to be wrong about that.

Edited 2011-07-12 22:25 UTC

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Except... Nobody copied Apple. Show me the code that has been copied. If no code has been copied, then your accusation falls flat. They may have violated software patents, but nobody in the sane tech world (i.e., outside of the US) gives a shit about those, since we chuckle at the idea of patenting math.

You clearly don't know how software development works these days. It is virtually impossible to write any piece of code without violating a sofware patent in the US. You seem to think this is healthy and good for competition - luckily for us, only people with pro-MS/Apple agenda seem to think so.

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Jennimc Member since:
2011-06-22

Except... Nobody copied Apple. Show me the code that has been copied. If no code has been copied, then your accusation falls flat.


Why do you limit copying to just code?



They may have violated software patents, but nobody in the sane tech world (i.e., outside of the US) gives a shit about those, since we chuckle at the idea of patenting math.


They might have also violated Apple's trade dress or any one of a number of other patents or copyrights. With that said, Apple is a US based company and these other companies compete in the US where software patents are protected under U.S. law. They are within their legal right no matter what your opinion of the law is. And no, it's naive to believe that its "patenting math." That understanding is like saying you can't file for copyright protection for a novel as its patenting the alphabet.



"You clearly don't know how software development works these days. It is virtually impossible to write any piece of code without violating a sofware patent in the US."


That's blatantly false.



You seem to think this is healthy and good for competition - luckily for us, only people with pro-MS/Apple agenda seem to think so.


Sigh... this has nothing to do with platform preferences and all to do with upholding the legal system. You may disagree with the legal system. That's fine, but to chastise a company (any company) for following these laws and leveraging them where applicable is naive.

Edited 2011-07-12 23:10 UTC

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ourcomputerbloke Member since:
2011-05-12

but nobody in the sane tech world (i.e., outside of the US) gives a shit about those, since we chuckle at the idea of patenting math.


Is it any wonder then that the companies who supply the mainstream and most widely used commercial software packages in the world are all based either in the US or other countries who do give a shit about them? What software company that's wildly successful on the international corporate or commercial stage has sprung up out of The Netherlands? Do you think that's coincidence?

Would you or any of the "nobodies in the sane tech world" about whom you speak ever put your tens or possibly hundreds of thousands of dollars at risk to start up a business, then work 100 plus hours a week developing it, possibly even go through the pain and expense of employing people, develop marketing strategies and distribution channels, advertise and promote your product, if you knew that if your concept was a good one a major market player could simply replicate what you've done and with much bigger marketing budgets and distribution channels already in place, destroy you, and as long as they haven't copied your math there'd be absolutely nothing you could do about it? Is that not anti competition?

I'm as much for patent reform and abolishing trivial patents of any sort as the next person, for starters patents should all have a much shorter lifespan IMHO, but your assertion that only people with pro-MS/Apple agenda are for software patents is not only wrong but misguided and misguiding.

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