Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 11th Jul 2011 21:34 UTC, submitted by sb56637
Legal Blah blah Apple whines about a bunch of software patents again. Go cry in a corner, Jobs. Either find a strategy that counters the rise of Android, or just suck it up and be a man about it. Oh, HTC is the target this time around. Again. Whatever.
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RE[6]: Find a strategy
by rhavyn on Tue 12th Jul 2011 23:53 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Find a strategy"
rhavyn
Member since:
2005-07-06

name calling and whining about moderation.


I snipped a bit because I think we agree. I'd simply like to mention that I wasn't intending to call you a name specifically, but the class of people (like Thom) who claim Apple can't compete. Also I think it should be pretty obvious looking at this thread that anyone who doesn't follow along with the OSNews mindshare (Apple bad, Android good, patents bad) gets moderated down, someone who agrees gets moderated up. Which is a pretty good way to shut out actual communication and I find that a terrible thing.

Reading your other posts you seem to accept litigation as part of doing business. I disagree with that point. Even if most companies litigate (there's no evidence for that) it is still something I abhor, especially when they use software patents to stifle innovation. I'm against software patents, and defended my position ad nauseum, don't want to open that can of worms again. As long as there are companies that prefer competing on the merit of their products/services (Google comes to mind) instead of litigation, there is a place for criticism, whether you like it or not.


I accept that litigation is a part of business because it is. Denying that is denying reality. Accepting that something is true and agreeing with it are different and, personally, I wish that litigation was not as prevalent as it is. However, you need to work within the realm of what is, not what you wish it is and if you own intellectual property that gives you an advantage and aren't using it then you aren't a terribly rational business person. Business isn't about making friends, it isn't about market share, it's about making money. The sooner the average OSNews poster (again, this isn't directed at you specifically but the reader in general) accepts this, the sooner they may be able to start making sense of what's going on. Google simply doesn't have much ammo so of course they are against these lawsuits (they weren't trying to buy the Nortel patents because they'd look good on Google's lawn, they bought them to use in litigation ... perhaps not offensively but you can be sure they'd file countersuits if someone sued them). On the flip side, the fact that Google isn't stepping in on these Android lawsuits doesn't say much for Google's character either. In my opinion if you aren't willing to defend your creation then who should.

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RE[7]: Find a strategy
by Alfman on Wed 13th Jul 2011 02:25 in reply to "RE[6]: Find a strategy"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

rhavyn,


"Also I think it should be pretty obvious looking at this thread that anyone who doesn't follow along with the OSNews mindshare (Apple bad, Android good, patents bad) gets moderated down, someone who agrees gets moderated up...The sooner the average OSNews poster accepts this, the sooner they may be able to start making sense of what's going on."

So what if many of us are against software patents?

You yourself said "Accepting that something is true and agreeing with it are different". So why is it that you claim stereotypical osnews posters are unable to make sense of what's going on instead of merely disagree with what's going on?

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RE[8]: Find a strategy
by rhavyn on Wed 13th Jul 2011 05:12 in reply to "RE[7]: Find a strategy"
rhavyn Member since:
2005-07-06

rhavyn,


"Also I think it should be pretty obvious looking at this thread that anyone who doesn't follow along with the OSNews mindshare (Apple bad, Android good, patents bad) gets moderated down, someone who agrees gets moderated up...The sooner the average OSNews poster accepts this, the sooner they may be able to start making sense of what's going on."

So what if many of us are against software patents?

You yourself said "Accepting that something is true and agreeing with it are different". So why is it that you claim stereotypical osnews posters are unable to make sense of what's going on instead of merely disagree with what's going on?


This article is the living proof of what I'm saying. Pointing out that apple can and does successfully compete gets me modded to 0. Was I factually incorrect? Was I trolling? Being against patents, great. Dont like apple, fine. Choose to say something that is factually wrong and then mod down someone who points it out. Wel that I think is wrong and that's what happens articles like this one.

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RE[7]: Find a strategy
by molnarcs on Wed 13th Jul 2011 05:34 in reply to "RE[6]: Find a strategy"
molnarcs Member since:
2005-09-10

(Apple bad, Android good, patents bad) gets moderated down
There are plenty of criticism of both Android and Apple here. However, you are right about patents - Thom and most of the readership is against software patents.


I agree that for an interesting conversation you need multiple perspectives. However, with software patents, everything that could be said has been said. It has been discussed to the death (and I'm not interested in hearing yet another analogy), way before the raise of Android and high-profile patent litigation.

If you take everything in consideration, software/ideas patents are bad for everyone, except the lawyers of course and entrenched monopolies. I thought this was settled among geeks a long time ago... Well, it was. The question of the validity of software patents surfaced again in board discussions once high-profile companies got involved, companies with rabid followers. Yeah, I do have Apple in mind here, for only in Apple vs Somebody do I see this issue opened again.

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