Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 13th Jul 2011 07:29 UTC, submitted by Gregory
OSNews, Generic OSes The Hurd is still doing its thing. "Jeremie Koenig started working on his Google Summer of Code project: bringing not only Java to the Hurd, but also fixing or adding missing parts in the Hurd's components along the way. For example, he already contributed a set of signal handling improvements. Samuel Thibault created the first Debian GNU/Hurd CD set with a graphical installer. You can dowload it at the usual place for Debian CD images."
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Comment by greygandalf
by greygandalf on Wed 13th Jul 2011 08:15 UTC
greygandalf
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2008-04-07

Most excellent news, good to know that HURD is still in the works.
I want to ran GNU-Emacs with the GNUstep interface on GNU/Hurd with the GNU-Mach kernel.

The modern version of NeXT ;)

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RE: Comment by greygandalf
by jokkel on Wed 13th Jul 2011 10:13 in reply to "Comment by greygandalf"
jokkel Member since:
2008-07-07

Except that it won't be as capable as NeXTStep was in the 90s.

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RE[2]: Comment by greygandalf
by greygandalf on Thu 14th Jul 2011 09:10 in reply to "RE: Comment by greygandalf"
greygandalf Member since:
2008-04-07

Well, it will be also much more. GNUstep can do already more than OpenStep did, as far as the framework is concerned. Application wise of course there is only what open-source provides, we have a host of applications that need some care.

Actually, it is already possible to run GNUstep on Hurd quite well. Most applications work to 90% already, I made them run. Stability is not perfect and some features are missing because the implementation on HURD may be not trivial (like detection of mounted volumes in the Workspace).
But it is already much better than one may think.

Of course other things like Sound or battery information depend on the drivers of HURD...

I hope Mach's capability of running on multiple cpus will be revamped in GNU-mac, in today's hyper-threading and multi-core CPUs it would shine, much more than XNU's "monolithic atop of micro" approac.

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RE: Comment by greygandalf
by Darkmage on Wed 13th Jul 2011 11:44 in reply to "Comment by greygandalf"
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2006-10-20

Call me when they implement core video/audio, and qtkit, opal and qtcore. Until then I'll stick to OSX. Why use an imitation when the original is so much better? GNUStep hasn't even got a web browser yet. (To be fair I am trying to learn objective-C under OSX mainly so I can develop GNUStep applications) but what the hell? GTK/QT are so STUPID compared to gnustep/obj-c. After using quartz composer how can anyone think gstreamer has a chance in hell of becoming anything decent?

Edited 2011-07-13 11:45 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by greygandalf
by Radio on Wed 13th Jul 2011 13:31 in reply to "RE: Comment by greygandalf"
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2009-06-20

You should go with Symbian, then, not OSX. Why use a hybrid kernel when there is a true microkernel?

(The OSX kernel is not really "micro" anymore, even though it is derived from Mach.)

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RE[2]: Comment by greygandalf
by MacMan on Wed 13th Jul 2011 15:18 in reply to "RE: Comment by greygandalf"
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2006-11-19

I can't figure out what's the deal with GNUStep, why has there been SO LITTLE progress in the past 15 years. Probably because they're wasting time making things like freaking "simple web kit" because they're implementation of Cocoa is so broken that its "too hard" to port WebKit, so they waste years writing a "simple" version of WebKit, freaking insane. Just fix your Cocoa implementation so that WebKit just compiles.

Anyway, I guess I understand the seemingly slow progress of GNU Hurd, operating systems are hard to write, especially when your starting from a clean slate like HURD.

But on the Cocoa front, have you heard of Cocotron, its a fully compatible implementation of Cocoa that allows you cross compile your apps to OSX, Windows and Linux, http://cocotron.org/

Cocotron is MIT licensed, and it just a few years they have made about a 1000% more progress than GNUStep.

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RE: Comment by greygandalf
by fithisux on Fri 15th Jul 2011 08:25 in reply to "Comment by greygandalf"
fithisux Member since:
2006-01-22

Most excellent news, good to know that HURD is still in the works.
I want to ran GNU-Emacs with the GNUstep interface on GNU/Hurd with the GNU-Mach kernel.

The modern version of NeXT ;)


I want to ran GNU-Emacs with the EtoileOs interface on GNU/Hurd with the Nova MicroHypervisor and IOKit.

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