Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 17th Jul 2011 20:58 UTC, submitted by fran
Linux It's strange. Microsoft has been patent trolling the heck out of the Linux kernel for a long time now, and is still using these patents against Android today in its protection money scheme. However, as LWN.net illustrates, Microsoft makes quite a few contributions to the Linux kernel. Shouldn't this invalidate their patent claims?
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RE[3]: say what
by _txf_ on Sun 17th Jul 2011 23:01 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: say what"
_txf_
Member since:
2008-03-17

How is this any different than Redhat and Oracle contributing patches? Their motivations are selfish as well.


For starters RedHat and Oracle patches tend to contribute to Linux itself and not act as a virtualization shim. Yeah, the motivations are similar but the end result is vastly different.

And it should be noted that RedHat also funds a lot of development of software that has no direct bearing on it's business and as a result enriches the linux ecosystem.

Edited 2011-07-17 23:10 UTC

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RE[4]: say what
by lucas_maximus on Mon 18th Jul 2011 00:12 in reply to "RE[3]: say what"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

" How is this any different than Redhat and Oracle contributing patches? Their motivations are selfish as well.


For starters RedHat and Oracle patches tend to contribute to Linux itself and not act as a virtualization shim. Yeah, the motivations are similar but the end result is vastly different.
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So you don't think it is a good thing in general that any Linux distros can benefit from having HyperV support?

Apparently anything that microsoft does it bad ...

Seriously ???

And it should be noted that RedHat also funds a lot of development of software that has no direct bearing on it's business and as a result enriches the linux ecosystem.


Like what?

Redhat sell both Desktop and Server versions so enriching the Linux ecosystem actually helps them to.

Anything that they help to develop goes directly towards Red Hat Enterprise Linux, even Fedora.

Oh and lets not forget redhat were obfuscating their patches not long ago, and probably still are ...

http://lwn.net/Articles/430098/

Red Hat is making things harder by shipping its RHEL 6 kernel source as one big tarball, without breaking out the patches. Your editor has downloaded the 2.6.32-71.14.1.el6 source package and verified that this is the case.

...

Distribution in this form should satisfy the GPL, but it makes life hard for anybody else wanting to see what has been done with this kernel. Hopefully it is simply a mistake which will be corrected soon.


From the same article in comments

It's not a mistake; I have confirmation from RH developers that it is a deliberate policy.


HMM ... Redhat are helping the linux ecosystem by making it difficult to decipher kernel patches ... I see ...

Edited 2011-07-18 00:21 UTC

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RE[5]: say what
by Rahul on Mon 18th Jul 2011 01:45 in reply to "RE[4]: say what"
Rahul Member since:
2005-07-06

Yes, because you overlook the fact that typically all Red Hat patches get send upstream by the developers and merged with the Linux kernel. What Red Hat does to its product only affects vendors like Oracle trying to rip off Red Hat. It doesn't affect the community.

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RE[5]: say what
by UltraZelda64 on Mon 18th Jul 2011 04:17 in reply to "RE[4]: say what"
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

Apparently anything that microsoft does it bad ...

I would have to say that yes, everything they do to help MICROSOFT and MICROSOFT'S PRODUCTS only, at the epxense of their competition is bad. Is there a Hyper-V for Linux yet? I bet not--but they sure do want to run on the bare metal of servers, and put everything else under them where they cannot control. They already are known as an abusive monopoly, are they not? They're less of a monopoly, but I wouldn't give the bastards a chance. They've proved time and time again that everything they do, no matter how nice it seems, always ends in backstabbing and bloodshed... to their competitors. And often unfairly, and even flat-out illegally... in their own f***ing home country.

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RE[5]: say what
by _txf_ on Mon 18th Jul 2011 09:52 in reply to "RE[4]: say what"
_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

So you don't think it is a good thing in general that any Linux distros can benefit from having HyperV support?

Apparently anything that microsoft does it bad ...

Seriously ???


Never said it was bad, just irrelevant for most people that care about linux itself (as opposed to what it can do for their business etc.)

Linux users will not be virtualising on top of windows. Only windows users that need something from linux will be using hyper-V.

I would however commend Microsoft if they improved something like say...the kinect driver.

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