Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 21st Jul 2011 22:56 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Today, the technology world is gripped by what can only be described as a dirty war between iOS on one side, and Android on the other. While the parties in this war fight it out in the US court system, the web has latched onto this conflict like a starved leach to a nice juicy ankle, and this focus on just iOS and Android has had a rather unpleasant side effect. This effect was subtle at first, but now, it's everywhere. Yes, if you were to believe the web, iOS and/or Android invented everything when it comes to mobile operating systems. I will have none of that, and my PDA collection begs to differ too.
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Huh?
by ourcomputerbloke on Fri 22nd Jul 2011 01:52 UTC
ourcomputerbloke
Member since:
2011-05-12

...the Newton was not the first PDA, not the first pen input device, and not the first device with handwriting recognition. In other words, it's not special because it was a 'first'.


I still don't quite get this reasoning.

Development of the Newton platform started in 1987

Palm Computing, Inc., was founded in 1992 by Jeff Hawkins ... to create a PDA for consumers, called the Zoomer (1993).

Not my words, readily searchable information. So if Apple were developing the Newton before Palm even existed, assuming that Palm had a similar schedule for the development of the Zoomer and therefore it had been in development for a similar amount of time before they actually existed as a company, doesn't this suggest that Apple was in the game at least at the same time developing Newton technology?

And what in the world does the number of units sold have to do with the fact that they developed the technology back then? How does that equate to "standing on the shoulders of giants"? Especially considering NewtonOS was written from scratch entirely in C++, unlike the Zoomer's OS which, as someone else here has already pointed out was a modified PC-GEOS, and NewtonOS was a fully object oriented environment having much more in common with today's mobile platforms than PC-GEOS.

This piece reads like a Murdoch publication where only facts supporting the agenda of the article are taken into consideration.

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RE: Huh?
by galvanash on Fri 22nd Jul 2011 02:14 in reply to "Huh?"
galvanash Member since:
2006-01-25

I'm not arguing with your premise... The Zoomer and the Newton were released within months of each other (the Newton on Aug 3rd, 1993, I think the Zoomer was like a month or 2 later but I can't find a definitive release date.

To be fair though I see this as an example of independent convergence. Both devices were the end result of a long chain of developments that were entirely unreleated to each other, they just happened to land in more or less the same place at the same time. Neither were influenced much by the other imo until very close to the end. Just saying I don't see the Zoomer as a "response" to the Newton, or the other way around.

Edited 2011-07-22 02:15 UTC

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RE[2]: Huh?
by smashIt on Fri 22nd Jul 2011 02:28 in reply to "RE: Huh?"
smashIt Member since:
2005-07-06

The Zoomer and the Newton were released within months of each other (the Newton on Aug 3rd, 1993, I think the Zoomer was like a month or 2 later but I can't find a definitive release date.


according to
http://www.8bit-micro.com/tandy-zoomer-z-pda.htm
the zoomer was released in '92

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RE: Huh?
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 22nd Jul 2011 05:25 in reply to "Huh?"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

You do realise there are more companies than just Palm and Apple, right?

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RE: Huh?
by kovacm on Sun 24th Jul 2011 09:10 in reply to "Huh?"
kovacm Member since:
2010-12-16

...the Newton was not the first PDA, not the first pen input device, and not the first device with handwriting recognition. In other words, it's not special because it was a 'first'.


I still don't quite get this reasoning.

Development of the Newton platform started in 1987

Palm Computing, Inc., was founded in 1992 by Jeff Hawkins ... to create a PDA for consumers, called the Zoomer (1993).... ...


and Atari had STPad in 1991. ;) (although only as prototype)... http://www.maedicke.de/atari/hardware/stpad.htm

at the end, all this shit does not count!
what's count is that Apple undoubtedly move PDA/SmartPhones, with iOS devices, to entirely NEW level! This is FACT. period.

...first Android devices was keyboard oriented like BlackBerry, Nokie E61... Android shift to multitouch paradigm only after iPhone being hot seller.

so, yes please, COPY Apple as much as you can *coz they move things forward* (in right direction) !



btw I did not even know that there was StreetFighter 1 !!! ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7SRcUrpU-s

great comparison with PalmOS and iOS ;) ;) ;) !

(- "Why the f--k is England's little red ball in Scotland?"
- "I guess the Japanese aren't that good at geography."
*from youtube comments ;) )

Edited 2011-07-24 09:23 UTC

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