Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 26th Jul 2011 11:27 UTC
Google And the patent and lawsuit related news just keeps on coming. Sorry. Anywho, this one's a doozy. As we all know, Oracle - led by Larry Elison, who just so happens to be one of Steve Jobs' best friends, but this is of course entirely coincidental - is suing the crap out of Google over the use of Java in Android, claiming not only patent but also copyright infringement. Well, when Sun was still on its own, its CEO, Jonathan Schwarz, publicly and explicitly endorsed Android's use of Java in a blog post - a post that has since been removed by Oracle. But, as we all know, the internet never forgets.
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Google deserves it
by Netfun81 on Tue 26th Jul 2011 16:22 UTC
Netfun81
Member since:
2008-03-25

Not sure why there are so many fans of google. The "do no evil" corp sure seems to do plenty of it. They borrow heavily (steal) from open source to make huge profits, and yet somehow they are not evil like apple and microsoft?

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RE: Google deserves it
by cmchittom on Tue 26th Jul 2011 16:26 in reply to "Google deserves it"
cmchittom Member since:
2011-03-18

Not that I'm necessarily contradicting you, but how is Oracle any better, or even any different?

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RE[2]: Google deserves it
by Netfun81 on Tue 26th Jul 2011 16:53 in reply to "RE: Google deserves it"
Netfun81 Member since:
2008-03-25

I agree with you that Oracle is no different. It seems to me that some are quick to take googles side when these issues come up and I don't think google is the saint that many believe.

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RE: Google deserves it
by Riddic on Tue 26th Jul 2011 17:31 in reply to "Google deserves it"
Riddic Member since:
2005-10-05

You seem to forget the contributions Google has made to the Linux kernel over the years.
They rely heavily on open source, but they're giving back just as heavily: Chromium, Android (in large parts open), Protocol Buffers, V8 ... need I go on?

Have a look:
http://code.google.com/hosting/search?q=label:Google

Edited 2011-07-26 17:33 UTC

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RE[2]: Google deserves it
by kovacm on Wed 27th Jul 2011 07:20 in reply to "RE: Google deserves it"
kovacm Member since:
2010-12-16

You seem to forget the contributions Google has made to the Linux kernel over the years.
They rely heavily on open source, but they're giving back just as heavily: Chromium, Android (in large parts open), Protocol Buffers, V8 ... need I go on?

Have a look:
http://code.google.com/hosting/search?q=label:Google

oh, yes, please go on! since Apple:

Webkit
CUPS
OpenCL
Grand Central Dispatch
launchd
...

it looks like that Apple is even greater fan of OpenSource than Google ;) and they "giving back just as heavily"

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RE: Google deserves it
by Athlander on Tue 26th Jul 2011 17:34 in reply to "Google deserves it"
Athlander Member since:
2008-03-10

I don't think there are many "fans" of Google commenting regularly on OSnews.

If you're thinking in broader terms, then it seems to me that in some senses Google benefits from the attention other companies get. Its browser got a lot of coverage early on, but in terms of publicity, Firefox and Explorer will always generate more headlines. Google's attitude towards privacy occasionally sparks some brief interest but the spotlight for a long time has been on Facebook. When Google does find itself on a collision course with one of the more infamous companies, generally it's Google on the receiving end and this gives it a "less evil" sheen.

There's only so much information we can absorb these days and the result is that some companies, and some people, aren't put under as much scrutiny as perhaps they should.

If Google are found to have been in the wrong regarding Dalvik, it may well happen that Dalvik will be removed and replaced with a flavour of Go, or Google and Oracle will settle out of court and Dalvik will be retained, and this chapter will fade into the background as life goes on and a Sony online service gets hacked (again), Microsoft and Apple do something evil to their competitors (again), a new version of Explorer beats all other browsers in various benchmarks (again - except in those benchmarks it doesn't, of course), at least until a new version of Firefox is released, Facebook gets embroiled in another privacy issue (again) and so on.

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RE: Google deserves it
by JAlexoid on Wed 27th Jul 2011 16:59 in reply to "Google deserves it"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

Some facts. And corrections.
A) Google is "Don't be evil", not "Do no evil". Two expressions have different meanings.
B) They are really big contributors to FOSS projects. GSoC should not be underestimated in any way.
C) Microsoft's FOSS reputation has such pearls as Get The Facts campaign.
D) Apple has a love/hate relationship towards FOSS. I get confused by their stances very easily...
E) It's really hard to steal anything from a community that prides itself on giving stuff away.

PS: Google is as hypocritical as the next company, but today they are my temporary ally.Just like my employer is my employer only because my temporary goals coincide with their.

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