Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 26th Jul 2011 11:27 UTC
Google And the patent and lawsuit related news just keeps on coming. Sorry. Anywho, this one's a doozy. As we all know, Oracle - led by Larry Elison, who just so happens to be one of Steve Jobs' best friends, but this is of course entirely coincidental - is suing the crap out of Google over the use of Java in Android, claiming not only patent but also copyright infringement. Well, when Sun was still on its own, its CEO, Jonathan Schwarz, publicly and explicitly endorsed Android's use of Java in a blog post - a post that has since been removed by Oracle. But, as we all know, the internet never forgets.
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RE[2]: Google deserves it
by Netfun81 on Tue 26th Jul 2011 16:53 UTC in reply to "RE: Google deserves it"
Netfun81
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2008-03-25

I agree with you that Oracle is no different. It seems to me that some are quick to take googles side when these issues come up and I don't think google is the saint that many believe.

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RE[3]: Google deserves it
by nicholasj on Tue 26th Jul 2011 17:56 in reply to "RE[2]: Google deserves it"
nicholasj Member since:
2008-12-10

I'm not completely comfortable with Google's dominance, but there are demonstrable differences in attitude and behaviour between Google and Oracle.

Google appears to fundamentally understand it must continue to earn customer loyalty through furious innovation in order to maintain its market position.

By contrast, it is difficult to point to many concrete innovations in Oracle's core "cash cow" enterprise software products in the last five years - they appear all too willing to do everything possible to lock-in organisations and milk them for annual maintenance revenues.

Most large IT vendors get to the point where much of their growth is by acquisition. Some genuinely acquire strategically useful capabilities and work hard at integrating the acquired technology with their existing products. Others simply 'buy and milk-dry'.

Oracle's recent behaviour is just sleazy. The "redistribution" of RHEL is one OSnews-relevant example - what value were they really adding with a 100% binary compatible clone?

And this - frankly disgusting - patent-license grab is another; with any luck the case will be thrown out. Can you seriously imagine Google acquiring ailing companies to build a patent portfolio simply in order to 'tax' innovative companies? (Nortel was for defensive reasons).

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RE[4]: Google deserves it
by Not2Sure on Tue 26th Jul 2011 18:45 in reply to "RE[3]: Google deserves it"
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2009-12-07

I'm not completely comfortable with Google's dominance, but there are demonstrable differences in attitude and behaviour between Google and Oracle.

Google appears to fundamentally understand it must continue to earn customer loyalty through furious innovation in order to maintain its market position


Are you referring to furious innovation in Android or you mean in Google products generally? I don't find much innovative about Android, but I'd love to learn more if you think there are aspects to Android that are particularly innovative. They are playing catchup to Apple/RIM pretty quickly, that's for certain. Also Android was an acquisition. Not clear whether it would have succeeded to compete with Apple/RIM without Google's vast resources, reach, and brand but given Rubin's previous commercial successes, it stood a good chance on its own.

And I think generally Google is running out of steam wrt innovative products. Buzz, Wave, Health, Power, Games, Apps, ChromeOS, Latitude, Places. All google product failures, and either dead or soon to be. Apps Marketplace is still alive but I don't know of anyone making alot of money. Are there some other innovative products you had in mind?

Plus is interesting and has a fresh UI but I don't know whether it's very innovative. It's also kind of a ghost town once you get very far away from the "celebrity" early adopters and they had that whole ban-stick snafu last few days, hopefully it was one-time problem. The run-of-the-mill early adopters (like me and people I connect with!) seem to log in 1x or 2x, create a little content and then disappear back to twitter/fb/whatever, but I'm sure my experience is not universal. I think they continue to innovate in search but only to stay ahead of the SEO dorks from poisoning their system. And some of the innovations are downright ghastly, (e.g., personalized search).

They like Oracle have been trying to acquire anything that smells like talent in the past few years, they both have the cash reserves to do it.. (rumors Google offered US $200 million for Color and got turned down, lolz but not sure which will prove to be more laughable, the offer or the rejection).

I'm sure the new(older?) CEO is hoping to turn the dial back a few years and get Google back into "startup" mode. Will be interesting to see how it works out.

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RE[4]: Google deserves it
by tomcat on Wed 27th Jul 2011 00:31 in reply to "RE[3]: Google deserves it"
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2006-01-06

Google appears to fundamentally understand it must continue to earn customer loyalty through furious innovation in order to maintain its market position.


No, Google simply ignores techology licenses which it finds inconvenient and uses them, anyway. That isn't "innovation". That's intellectual property infringement.

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RE[3]: Google deserves it
by Delgarde on Tue 26th Jul 2011 22:47 in reply to "RE[2]: Google deserves it"
Delgarde Member since:
2008-08-19

I agree with you that Oracle is no different. It seems to me that some are quick to take googles side when these issues come up and I don't think google is the saint that many believe.


The difference is that while Google don't always hold to their "don't be evil" ideal, they're generally pretty good about it. In contrast, it sometimes seems like "be evil" is a philosophy Oracle follow with great enthusiasm.

When it comes to picking a favourite between the two, it's not much of a contrast.

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RE[4]: Google deserves it
by tomcat on Wed 27th Jul 2011 00:29 in reply to "RE[3]: Google deserves it"
tomcat Member since:
2006-01-06

The difference is that while Google don't always hold to their "don't be evil" ideal...


Try rarely holds to their former "don't be evil" ideal. They dropped it because they realized they're fundamentally evil.

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