Linked by fran on Tue 26th Jul 2011 21:45 UTC
Mozilla & Gecko clones "Mozilla today announced Boot to Gecko , a very ambitious project that aims to create a 'complete, standalone operating system for the open web'. This project's goal is to develop what seems like a ChromeOS-like operating system where all the apps are based on HTML5."
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RE: So basically...
by Tom9729 on Wed 27th Jul 2011 00:10 UTC in reply to "So basically..."
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2008-12-09

Read the mailing list discussion for more information.

The most amusing part is that they basically want to fork Android (for the OEM hardware support), remove the userland stuff, and drop Mozilla on top.

How many mobile OSs do we really need? Off the top of my head: Android, Meego, Maemo (dead), WebOS are all based on Linux. Then we have iOS of course, Bada from Samsung, WP7 from you-know-who, Symbian (dead), Blackberry (dead), and whatever strange thing RIM might cook up with QNX.

From what I understand, Moz's reasoning is that none of those systems are really open; even Android is pretty much developed behind closed doors to keep manufacturers and service providers happy.

The main question on my mind is that even if the OS truly _is_ OSS, what good is it if you can't load it on to your device? How is making another OS going to improve this?

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RE[2]: So basically...
by _xmv on Wed 27th Jul 2011 03:03 in reply to "RE: So basically..."
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at even if the OS truly _is_ OSS, what good is it if you can't load it on to your device? How is making another OS going to improve this?

actually meego is pretty open source. i think what they want is to have a free (as in freedom, beer, and more) alternative os running on HTML/JS in case this stuff takes off (windows8 is based on that, webos is based on that, chromeos is based on that, so far)

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RE[2]: So basically...
by Radio on Wed 27th Jul 2011 07:20 in reply to "RE: So basically..."
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2009-06-20

How many mobile OSs do we really need?
That (rhetorical) question is pointless for what is, for now, an experiment.

Now, if I try to answer your question seriously:

-Monoculture is bad, for security as well as for progress (imagine if Apple died or ditched OSX, like so many argued because "we don't need it"...)

-the smartphone market may not be like the PC market: we will not see all platforms but one or two disappear.
http://www.asymco.com/2011/07/06/the-post-pc-era-will-be-a-multi-pl...
Sorry for the developpers.

-Which means that lazy developpers are better writing web apps; even if they want afterwards to turn their work into a native app, they often can encapsulate it inside a java/C#/objective-C/etc. container.
(Of course, I am completely at odds with the weak, stretched argument exposed here: http://mattgemmell.com/2011/07/22/apps-vs-the-web/ )

-Ergo, B2G is THE reference platform of the future. This is not only a question of open-source zealotism. There is far more sense and strategy into it.

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RE[3]: So basically...
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Wed 27th Jul 2011 18:04 in reply to "RE[2]: So basically..."
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-Ergo, B2G is THE reference platform of the future. This is not only a question of open-source zealotism. There is far more sense and strategy into it.


The reference platform of the future? You mean the reference platform of the future that no one uses because its not installed by any device manufacturers, but is still the lowest common denominator of all smart phones, or would be except for the differences between the mozilla and webkit rendering engines?

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RE[2]: So basically...
by dragos.pop on Wed 27th Jul 2011 10:05 in reply to "RE: So basically..."
dragos.pop Member since:
2010-01-08

Read the mailing list discussion for more information.

The most amusing part is that they basically want to fork Android (for the OEM hardware support), remove the userland stuff, and drop Mozilla on top.

How many mobile OSs do we really need? Off the top of my head: Android, Meego, Maemo (dead), WebOS are all based on Linux. Then we have iOS of course, Bada from Samsung, WP7 from you-know-who, Symbian (dead), Blackberry (dead), and whatever strange thing RIM might cook up with QNX.

From what I understand, Moz's reasoning is that none of those systems are really open; even Android is pretty much developed behind closed doors to keep manufacturers and service providers happy.

The main question on my mind is that even if the OS truly _is_ OSS, what good is it if you can't load it on to your device? How is making another OS going to improve this?


Maybe there are a lot. But:
From the list above I would cut all dead ones and also Bada because it is targeting low and medium smartphones, not the high end ones.

What mozzila wants is a kind of chrome for smartphones.
WebOS supports HTML very well, but not in a standard way.
If mozzila has success with this, the API might be taken by other mobile OS. Web OS could use it and android might integrate it in WebKit. Also blackberry is opened to use API from other OS.
This means that if I am right, there will be one API for developing small apps and widgets on more platforms.
Complex apps, like games and complex GPS apps will remain platform specific.

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