Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 27th Jul 2011 22:09 UTC
Legal Two different graphs. Both happen to be published at Ars Technica, with one of them coming from a different source. Seemingly completely unrelated, but when you ponder the waterfall of recent lawsuit-related news, these two graphs suddenly tell all there is to tell. These two innocent little graphs illustrate why Apple is attacking Android so ferociously.
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Apple can't compete on merit
by rhavyn on Wed 27th Jul 2011 22:22 UTC
rhavyn
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2005-07-06

http://www.osnews.com/thread?481144

http://gigaom.com/2011/07/11/apple-keeps-the-pressure-on-htc-with-n...

Apple is now filing complaints about Android tablets, are you ready to admit that Apple isn't afraid, they simply don't like their intellectual property infringed?

Also...

and it would seem Apple is unable to turn the tide with just new products alone


Apple hasn't released a new product in over a year, and they are still seeing growth in iPhone sales and market share. HTC released, what, 10 different handsets last quarter and they only grew their market share by 4%, 1% more than Apple with a 1 year old phone and a 2 year old phone.

Combine that with the fact that Apple is seeing historically unprecedented growth for a company it's size (100% YoY revenue and profit growth on multi-billion dollar companies is literally unheard of), I'm not exactly sure "afraid" is the right way to describe Apple.

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JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

Apple is now filing complaints about Android tablets, are you ready to admit that Apple isn't afraid, they simply don't like their intellectual property infringed?

Both sides are hypocritical bul****ers. Apple being the most aggressive in the legal department, however.

100% YoY revenue and profit growth on multi-billion dollar companies is literally unheard of

That is why they should beat Exxon in market cap. Those people on the US stock market are helluva optimists, if you ask me... Apple beating Exxon just plain sounds like a joke....

I'm not exactly sure "afraid" is the right way to describe Apple.


If they aren't, then they should be worried. The premium smartphone market will be saturated soon enough and Apple will be left out cold with their current product offerings.
It'll be the same as Mac Books, great sales, great profits - but not much growth.(Their product offerings are premium segment only. I maintain that their notebook growth is in line with premium priced notebook market growth, so they didn't beat the market.)

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rhavyn Member since:
2005-07-06

"100% YoY revenue and profit growth on multi-billion dollar companies is literally unheard of

That is why they should beat Exxon in market cap. Those people on the US stock market are helluva optimists, if you ask me... Apple beating Exxon just plain sounds like a joke....
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Apple should be close to if not beating Exxon in market cap now. For some reason Apple's stock is undervalued: http://www.asymco.com/2011/07/25/apples-share-price-adjusted-for-ea...

Their EPS hasn't been this low since 2008. No one is able to believe that they continue to grow 100% YoY.

"I'm not exactly sure "afraid" is the right way to describe Apple.


If they aren't, then they should be worried. The premium smartphone market will be saturated soon enough and Apple will be left out cold with their current product offerings.
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But, what do you think Apple's market share and growth will look like in CYQ4 if they release a new iPhone in CYQ3?

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iinlane Member since:
2010-09-17

"Worried" is much better word than "afraid". I do not think it's the greed and desire to satisfy shareholders that drives people at Apple. While the legal department pursues the competition the rest of Apple probably does not care much.

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andydread Member since:
2009-02-02

http://www.osnews.com/thread?481144

http://gigaom.com/2011/07/11/apple-keeps-the-pressure-on-htc-with-n...

Apple is now filing complaints about Android tablets, are you ready to admit that Apple isn't afraid, they simply don't like their intellectual property infringed?

Also...

"and it would seem Apple is unable to turn the tide with just new products alone


Apple hasn't released a new product in over a year, and they are still seeing growth in iPhone sales and market share. HTC released, what, 10 different handsets last quarter and they only grew their market share by 4%, 1% more than Apple with a 1 year old phone and a 2 year old phone.

Combine that with the fact that Apple is seeing historically unprecedented growth for a company it's size (100% YoY revenue and profit growth on multi-billion dollar companies is literally unheard of), I'm not exactly sure "afraid" is the right way to describe Apple.
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I remember the incredible growth Apple had in the 80s
Then there came along a thing called PC clones with MS-DOS then Windows on a myriad of hardware. Then came the 90s and Apple was about to go the way of Commodore. Then came the 00s and Apple is back on top of the world. Now comes Android on a myriad of hardware. I think Apple remembers this scenario too.

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elsewhere Member since:
2005-07-13

I think Apple remembers this scenario too.


I'm not sure that they do. Or if they do, then I question if they learned anything from.

I remember the Apple ][ vs IBM PC war, I remember the Mac vs Windows war. Both started off with Apple earning first-mover advantage with an innovative product that garnered leading market share and industry support that eventually deteriorated due to their un-yielding stubbornness and un-willingness to adapt to the different demands of a larger and more diverse market.

To me this is deja vu all over again. Apple has achieved tremendous market success with the iPhone and has the industry clamoring to catch up. I've seen this episode before and know how it eventually ends.

Jobs has some brilliant ideas. While most people gush about him being a visionary, I don't really think he is. I think the real secret to his success is his ability to execute. The man has an idea and he can drive it and make it happen with a better track record of success than just about any CEO I can think of in recent history.

But the same quality of character that demands perfection and control over his products simply does not scale beyond a certain size, and that is why Apple will inevitably be eclipsed. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

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molnarcs Member since:
2005-09-10

http://www.osnews.com/thread?481144

http://gigaom.com/2011/07/11/apple-keeps-the-pressure-on-htc-with-n...

Apple is now filing complaints about Android tablets, are you ready to admit that Apple isn't afraid, they simply don't like their intellectual property infringed?

Also...



You ARE relentless, aren't you. I thought we agreed some time ago that these IP lawsuits are bullshit:
http://www.osnews.com/thread?480925

You come back weeks later with the same IP nonsense. What property are you talking about? Ideas that they had first? How about ideas that they copied from others? They do exactly what everyone does - sometimes they come up with something new, sometimes they copy from others. Only difference is, that they don't want others do what they themselves do!

Of course, fanboys always try to show how Apple's copying is different. No, it's not. Apple had it's firsts with the iPhone, as did Android (notifications, multitasking, widgets, etc.) Thankfully, Apple finally copied Android's notifications. It made a lot of sense, because it's such an elegant implementation. And yet, here we are again, with the IP bullshit.

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rhavyn Member since:
2005-07-06

"http://www.osnews.com/thread?481144

http://gigaom.com/2011/07/11/apple-keeps-the-pressure-on-htc-with-n...

Apple is now filing complaints about Android tablets, are you ready to admit that Apple isn't afraid, they simply don't like their intellectual property infringed?

Also...



You ARE relentless, aren't you. I thought we agreed some time ago that these IP lawsuits are bullshit:
http://www.osnews.com/thread?480925
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I'm not exactly sure what you're freaking out about. In my first link I had asked Thom:

"If Apple filed a patent lawsuit against Motorola for the Xoom or RIM for the PlayBook tomorrow, would claim Apple can't compete with them?"

Since he was consistently saying Apple can't compete on merit. He replied:

"Of course I wouldn't. Those products sell like ass. If Apple were to sue over those, then with regards to those products, it wouldn't be about litigation over competition."

Apple is now going after Android tablets so I was asking Thom if what he says stands, that these lawsuits aren't about Apple's ability to compete. I have no idea what the rest of your rant is about since I didn't say express an opinion pro or con regarding the lawsuits, nor about their validity.

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henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

Interesting - it's impossible to vote this comment up. "you have recently moderated this user".... Really? I don't think so. Even if I did, it wouldn't have been so recent that it should matter. Interestingly, it seems to let me vote the comment down just fine..... So, either the comment voting system is broken or it is rigged. Any staffers care to comment? What is the criteria for disallowing vote ups, why does it still allow vote downs and when is the block reset?

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