Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 27th Jul 2011 22:09 UTC
Legal Two different graphs. Both happen to be published at Ars Technica, with one of them coming from a different source. Seemingly completely unrelated, but when you ponder the waterfall of recent lawsuit-related news, these two graphs suddenly tell all there is to tell. These two innocent little graphs illustrate why Apple is attacking Android so ferociously.
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RE: Phones vs tablets
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 27th Jul 2011 22:36 UTC in reply to "Phones vs tablets"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

I think this is going to answer a lot of questions.


*looks at meteoric Android growth in Europe*

Guess shit just got answered.

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RE[2]: Phones vs tablets
by apoclypse on Thu 28th Jul 2011 00:11 in reply to "RE: Phones vs tablets"
apoclypse Member since:
2007-02-17

No matter how much they grow they still can't touch Apple's revenue and that is the only thing Apple cares about. You seem to be under the impression that Apple not selling as many units as Android hurts them in some way. It doesn't. Steve-o himself has said before countless times that he doesn't care about market share, they care about making money and right now Apple is pretty much shitting on everybody else selling less product to less carriers. So no Thom, this doesn't prove shit. This proves the opposite, it proves that Apple can sell a product to the masses without actually being the market leader and still come out winning.

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RE[3]: Phones vs tablets
by ccraig13 on Thu 28th Jul 2011 02:58 in reply to "RE[2]: Phones vs tablets"
ccraig13 Member since:
2011-05-31

Exactly. You don't see BMW worrying because Hyundai sells more units.

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RE[2]: Phones vs tablets
by henderson101 on Thu 28th Jul 2011 07:54 in reply to "RE: Phones vs tablets"
henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

*sigh* the reason for the meteoric growth in Europe is price. I can go out today and buy an Orange San Francisco (ZTE Blade) on PAYG (pay as you go) for about £110 (and therefore own it outright), bring it home, unlock it for free and put my current sim card in it. I can then root it, update it to 2.2 or 2.3 if I really want to. What is my cheapest iPhone option? 3GS, only for £99 I'm tied to a contract for at least 1 year. If I want a contract free one, I'm looking at double the cost.

Moreover, if I buy a phone of a contract in the UK, I still end up paying over £100 for an iPhone 4, unless I go on to a ridiculous tariff. An Android phone, depending on model, is almost always Free or less than £100 for the handset.

That is the real reason. Total cost of contract phones is cheap, and prepaid is peanuts compared to Apple. Most kids buy prepaid in the UK, so given the bling factor of needing a smartphone to look cool, you have your answer.

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RE[3]: Phones vs tablets
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 28th Jul 2011 09:04 in reply to "RE[2]: Phones vs tablets"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

*sigh* the reason for the meteoric growth in Europe is price. I can go out today and buy an Orange San Francisco (ZTE Blade) on PAYG (pay as you go) for about £110 (and therefore own it outright), bring it home, unlock it for free and put my current sim card in it. I can then root it, update it to 2.2 or 2.3 if I really want to. What is my cheapest iPhone option? 3GS, only for £99 I'm tied to a contract for at least 1 year. If I want a contract free one, I'm looking at double the cost.

Moreover, if I buy a phone of a contract in the UK, I still end up paying over £100 for an iPhone 4, unless I go on to a ridiculous tariff. An Android phone, depending on model, is almost always Free or less than £100 for the handset.

That is the real reason. Total cost of contract phones is cheap, and prepaid is peanuts compared to Apple. Most kids buy prepaid in the UK, so given the bling factor of needing a smartphone to look cool, you have your answer.


[citation needed]

When I look around, I see the expensive Android phones from HTC and Samsung all around me - no cheap phones AT ALL. These phones are often even MORE expensive than iPhones. In The Netherlands, you can get iPhones on whatever carrier you want, with whatever contract you want - yet Android is still growing far faster.

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RE[3]: Phones vs tablets
by JAlexoid on Thu 28th Jul 2011 09:04 in reply to "RE[2]: Phones vs tablets"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

And yet based on the prices of the off contract phones, iPhone4 in UK is the single best selling smartphone...

(Compare price of a off-contract iPhone4 with other EU markets...)

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RE[3]: Phones vs tablets
by aahjnnot on Thu 28th Jul 2011 12:08 in reply to "RE[2]: Phones vs tablets"
aahjnnot Member since:
2008-07-24

*sigh* the reason for the meteoric growth in Europe is price.

Not so. Here's a conversation that I recently overheard in Carphone Warehouse in the UK:

"I'd like to buy an iPhone, please"

"Fantastic; it's a great phone. But before you make your mind up, let me show you some of these Android phones. They let you do everything that an iPhone does, but, in my opinion, they're more powerful and you can choose from a range of different handsets"

"Really? I've never hear of Android. Are they really as good as an iPhone"

"Yes. I use one myself, and it's brilliant. Let me show you and you can make your own mind up."

Fifteen minutes later the customer was signing a contract for a top end Android phone. Price wasn't even mentioned as a benefit.

Sales people tend to sell what they believe in. And Android is winning the hearts and minds of the UK's mobile phone sales force.

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RE[2]: Phones vs tablets
by kristoph on Thu 28th Jul 2011 21:15 in reply to "RE: Phones vs tablets"
kristoph Member since:
2006-01-01

... and today we have ...

http://www.pricegrabber.com/about.php/about=press/article=187/

35% of ALL consumers in the US plan to buy the iPhone 5, a product that has not been promoted, announced, or even seen by anyone.

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RE[3]: Phones vs tablets
by vitae on Thu 28th Jul 2011 22:47 in reply to "RE[2]: Phones vs tablets"
vitae Member since:
2006-02-20

Hmmm. "Los Angeles, Calif" might be the key terms here. Asking people in LA? I'm sure they will be buying them in Brentwood, Pacific Palisades, Bel Air, etc. But in less afluent areas of the city or in the backwoods which makes up most of the state, I'm seriously doubting it. The same could be said for most of the nation. Unemployment is godawful (thus more screaming than usual about immigration), people really are living in the streets and camping out in the woods, and basically I'm pretty sure alot of people in the wealthier areas just don't realize how bad it's gotten elsewhere. And Congress still can't be bothered to fix the budget.

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RE[2]: Phones vs tablets
by iinlane on Fri 29th Jul 2011 06:10 in reply to "RE: Phones vs tablets"
iinlane Member since:
2010-09-17

Me, my girlfriend and many of my friends bought Android because we could not afford iPhone - the price of iPhone 4 without contract is over 700 euros here. It's hard to shell out the cash when HTC desire costs half of that.

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RE[2]: Phones vs tablets
by kristoph on Fri 29th Jul 2011 19:04 in reply to "RE: Phones vs tablets"
kristoph Member since:
2006-01-01



*looks at meteoric Android growth in Europe*

Guess shit just got answered.


IDC today ...

http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS22962811


It might be that Android is rising somewhere but it's clearly not impacting Apple's growth.

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RE[3]: Phones vs tablets
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 29th Jul 2011 19:10 in reply to "RE[2]: Phones vs tablets"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

You realise those figures include feature phones, right? And that the growth figures for evryone but Apple are hindered by those?

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