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KDE "KDE is delighted to announce its latest set of releases, providing major updates to the KDE Plasma Workspaces, KDE Applications, and the KDE Platform that provides the foundation for KDE software. Version 4.7 of these releases provide many new features and improved stability and performance."
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Lack of focus
by diegocg on Wed 27th Jul 2011 23:26 UTC
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2005-07-08

I'm a KDE user, and even if I would never change it for Gnome, I continue to miss the lack of focus and polish of Apple. Activities, for example, feel like a great idea in theory. But the UI and the interaction with is crap. And by this I mean: I'm a geek and I don't use it because it's too confusing. I always have my apps in full screen so I can't click on the desktop, and I can't bother to learn keyboard shortcuts, so to access the Activities UI, I've to go to "Panel options -> add widgets". I don't understand why the Activities button needs to be in the same place I add widgets to a panel (and I don't understand why they share the same window shape). I don't know what happens when I create a new activity, I don't know what happens when I press the "stop" button, I don't know what happens when I delete an Activity. I feel like I'm losing the control of what happens in my desktop, so I just don't use it. It feels like an UI done by a software engineer...

And then there is plasma. I really like the idea behind plasma, but I don't understand why the modularity and complexity of configuration of plasma has to show up on the UI. A normal user should be allowed to delete the default panel and the menu button? Also

And there are some small things that make me feel like I'm back into the 90's, like these stupid "did you know... / check this checkbox if you don't to see this dialog again" in some apps, or the "are you sure you want to quit? / don't ask this again".

Well, maybe this post is proof that I should try another desktop shell...one that is not kde/gnome :/

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RE: Lack of focus
by lemur2 on Wed 27th Jul 2011 23:39 in reply to "Lack of focus"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

I'm a KDE user, and even if I would never change it for Gnome, I continue to miss the lack of focus and polish of Apple. Activities, for example, feel like a great idea in theory. But the UI and the interaction with is crap. And by this I mean: I'm a geek and I don't use it because it's too confusing. I always have my apps in full screen so I can't click on the desktop, and I can't bother to learn keyboard shortcuts, so to access the Activities UI, I've to go to "Panel options -> add widgets". I don't understand why the Activities button needs to be in the same place I add widgets to a panel (and I don't understand why they share the same window shape). I don't know what happens when I create a new activity, I don't know what happens when I press the "stop" button, I don't know what happens when I delete an Activity. I feel like I'm losing the control of what happens in my desktop, so I just don't use it. It feels like an UI done by a software engineer... And then there is plasma. I really like the idea behind plasma, but I don't understand why the modularity and complexity of configuration of plasma has to show up on the UI. A normal user should be allowed to delete the default panel and the menu button? Also And there are some small things that make me feel like I'm back into the 90's, like these stupid "did you know... / check this checkbox if you don't to see this dialog again" in some apps, or the "are you sure you want to quit? / don't ask this again". Well, maybe this post is proof that I should try another desktop shell...one that is not kde/gnome :/


Are you talking about this particular KDE 4.7 release?

http://kde.org/announcements/4.7/plasma.php
"Plasma's Activities have seen many improvements, the Activity Manager now takes a more prominent place in the default panel in Plasma Desktop."

If you are talking about some previous release of KDE/Plasma, exactly what relevance has your comment to this thread?

BTW, if you use all your applications full-screen, then you really do not need activites at all. So just don't use them. If you don't want to use them, and they don't fit into your workflow patterns, then fine, but how does that fact constitute valid criticism of KDE4? It isn't as though use of activities is required in any way, and other people may find activities very useful even if you don't.

PS: How can you possibly call Mac OSX "polished" compared to KDE if you look objectively at, for just one example, the lack of a decent file manager for OSX compared to the default Dolphin in KDE4?

Your post sounds very, very much like someone who is desperate to find some kind of criticism of KDE, and is now clutching at straws.

Edited 2011-07-27 23:45 UTC

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RE[2]: Lack of focus
by _txf_ on Thu 28th Jul 2011 00:00 in reply to "RE: Lack of focus"
_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

PS: How can you possibly call Mac OSX "polished" compared to KDE if you look objectively at, for just one example, the lack of a decent file manager for OSX compared to the default Dolphin in KDE4?


While I find Dolphin to be a much more capable file manager to Finder, there are lots of niggles that really get me down still in kde4. When I'm using linux it is my DE of choice, but for all the design faults in osx, I find it much more consistent in terms of feel than I do kde (even bugs are consistent in osx).

Edited 2011-07-28 00:01 UTC

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RE[2]: Lack of focus
by Luminair on Fri 29th Jul 2011 03:52 in reply to "RE: Lack of focus"
Luminair Member since:
2007-03-30

I can very easily call Mac OSX "polished" compared to KDE. Oh god it flows like hot butter. OSX is polished compared to KDE. Polished.

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RE: Lack of focus
by j-kidd on Thu 28th Jul 2011 03:46 in reply to "Lack of focus"
j-kidd Member since:
2005-07-06

...or the "are you sure you want to quit? / don't ask this again".


This is my pet peeve with KDE, together with the restart/shutdown confirmation which is enabled by default. They are annoying because there was a time when KDE didn't have such nonsense dialogs.

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RE[2]: Lack of focus
by roverrobot on Thu 28th Jul 2011 05:36 in reply to "RE: Lack of focus"
roverrobot Member since:
2006-07-23

"...or the "are you sure you want to quit? / don't ask this again".


This is my pet peeve with KDE, together with the restart/shutdown confirmation which is enabled by default. They are annoying because there was a time when KDE didn't have such nonsense dialogs.
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Really? It has been a life saver for me. You can't imagine how many times I have unwittingly pressed on the power button of my Mac book pro when I hold it in my hand.

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