Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 27th Jul 2011 22:09 UTC
Legal Two different graphs. Both happen to be published at Ars Technica, with one of them coming from a different source. Seemingly completely unrelated, but when you ponder the waterfall of recent lawsuit-related news, these two graphs suddenly tell all there is to tell. These two innocent little graphs illustrate why Apple is attacking Android so ferociously.
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RE: Apple can't compete on merit
by molnarcs on Thu 28th Jul 2011 07:38 UTC in reply to "Apple can't compete on merit"
molnarcs
Member since:
2005-09-10

http://www.osnews.com/thread?481144

http://gigaom.com/2011/07/11/apple-keeps-the-pressure-on-htc-with-n...

Apple is now filing complaints about Android tablets, are you ready to admit that Apple isn't afraid, they simply don't like their intellectual property infringed?

Also...



You ARE relentless, aren't you. I thought we agreed some time ago that these IP lawsuits are bullshit:
http://www.osnews.com/thread?480925

You come back weeks later with the same IP nonsense. What property are you talking about? Ideas that they had first? How about ideas that they copied from others? They do exactly what everyone does - sometimes they come up with something new, sometimes they copy from others. Only difference is, that they don't want others do what they themselves do!

Of course, fanboys always try to show how Apple's copying is different. No, it's not. Apple had it's firsts with the iPhone, as did Android (notifications, multitasking, widgets, etc.) Thankfully, Apple finally copied Android's notifications. It made a lot of sense, because it's such an elegant implementation. And yet, here we are again, with the IP bullshit.

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rhavyn Member since:
2005-07-06

"http://www.osnews.com/thread?481144

http://gigaom.com/2011/07/11/apple-keeps-the-pressure-on-htc-with-n...

Apple is now filing complaints about Android tablets, are you ready to admit that Apple isn't afraid, they simply don't like their intellectual property infringed?

Also...



You ARE relentless, aren't you. I thought we agreed some time ago that these IP lawsuits are bullshit:
http://www.osnews.com/thread?480925
"

I'm not exactly sure what you're freaking out about. In my first link I had asked Thom:

"If Apple filed a patent lawsuit against Motorola for the Xoom or RIM for the PlayBook tomorrow, would claim Apple can't compete with them?"

Since he was consistently saying Apple can't compete on merit. He replied:

"Of course I wouldn't. Those products sell like ass. If Apple were to sue over those, then with regards to those products, it wouldn't be about litigation over competition."

Apple is now going after Android tablets so I was asking Thom if what he says stands, that these lawsuits aren't about Apple's ability to compete. I have no idea what the rest of your rant is about since I didn't say express an opinion pro or con regarding the lawsuits, nor about their validity.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

"[q]http://www.osnews.com/thread?481144

http://gigaom.com/2011/07/11/apple-keeps-the-pressure-on-htc-with-n...

Apple is now filing complaints about Android tablets, are you ready to admit that Apple isn't afraid, they simply don't like their intellectual property infringed?

Also...



You ARE relentless, aren't you. I thought we agreed some time ago that these IP lawsuits are bullshit:
http://www.osnews.com/thread?480925
"

I'm not exactly sure what you're freaking out about. In my first link I had asked Thom:

"If Apple filed a patent lawsuit against Motorola for the Xoom or RIM for the PlayBook tomorrow, would claim Apple can't compete with them?"

Since he was consistently saying Apple can't compete on merit. He replied:

"Of course I wouldn't. Those products sell like ass. If Apple were to sue over those, then with regards to those products, it wouldn't be about litigation over competition."

Apple is now going after Android tablets so I was asking Thom if what he says stands, that these lawsuits aren't about Apple's ability to compete. I have no idea what the rest of your rant is about since I didn't say express an opinion pro or con regarding the lawsuits, nor about their validity. [/q]

The lawsuit against HTC is still over HTC's smartphones, with the tablets thrown in for good measure simply because they also use Sense. In addition, they were ADDED to an EXISTING lawsuit only to INCREASE Apple's chances.

Come back to me when Apple launches a new lawsuit against i.e. RIM or HP/Palm over a tablet. Trust me - until those devices become successful, they won't. And even if they do - it does NOT negate the fact that the CURRENT lawsuits are what they are.

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molnarcs Member since:
2005-09-10

We are discussing the _reasons_ for these lawsuits. Protection of intellectual property is the reason Apple gives you, and we all know it's BS. Why? Because it's all about ideas/software patents. We identified two reasons, one is the "can't compete on merit" line. You read that line way to literally. Of course Apple can compete, they build excellent products, don't they? But others happen do build excellent products (smartphones, not tablets though), so Apple does feel threatened. This is not a new market, and it's harder and harder for Apple to come out with firsts. We have a more level playing field, and that seems to disturb Apple - hence the "can't compete on merit" line of thought.

Personally, I think these lawsuits have excellent marketing potential, and I doubt Apple is not perfectly aware of these. Each lawsuits have a loud and very clear message: "WE WERE FIRST. YOU COPY US. YOU STOLE OUR INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY." - and that message is picked up by all major media outlets (not only geek sites, but the BBC, CNN, etc. as well). We know it's nonsense, for most major players had their first, and all major players use each others' ideas. Including Apple.

So imho Apple has two reasons for these: 1) marketing 2) "can't compete on merit," which in my case (and I'm sure most people would agree) simply means that they find it harder and harder to differentiate their products from the competition. Now the competition has cool stuff like 3D pics/video, 4g, better and better app support, etc.

My point is that suggesting that "all they want to do is protect their IP" is way to simplistic, and has been dealt with already. Why bring up again and run endless circles around it? It's quite boring.

Apple is now filing complaints about Android tablets, are you ready to admit that Apple isn't afraid, they simply don't like their intellectual property infringed?

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