Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 27th Jul 2011 22:09 UTC
Legal Two different graphs. Both happen to be published at Ars Technica, with one of them coming from a different source. Seemingly completely unrelated, but when you ponder the waterfall of recent lawsuit-related news, these two graphs suddenly tell all there is to tell. These two innocent little graphs illustrate why Apple is attacking Android so ferociously.
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RE[2]: Phones vs tablets
by henderson101 on Thu 28th Jul 2011 07:54 UTC in reply to "RE: Phones vs tablets"
henderson101
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2006-05-30

*sigh* the reason for the meteoric growth in Europe is price. I can go out today and buy an Orange San Francisco (ZTE Blade) on PAYG (pay as you go) for about £110 (and therefore own it outright), bring it home, unlock it for free and put my current sim card in it. I can then root it, update it to 2.2 or 2.3 if I really want to. What is my cheapest iPhone option? 3GS, only for £99 I'm tied to a contract for at least 1 year. If I want a contract free one, I'm looking at double the cost.

Moreover, if I buy a phone of a contract in the UK, I still end up paying over £100 for an iPhone 4, unless I go on to a ridiculous tariff. An Android phone, depending on model, is almost always Free or less than £100 for the handset.

That is the real reason. Total cost of contract phones is cheap, and prepaid is peanuts compared to Apple. Most kids buy prepaid in the UK, so given the bling factor of needing a smartphone to look cool, you have your answer.

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RE[3]: Phones vs tablets
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 28th Jul 2011 09:04 in reply to "RE[2]: Phones vs tablets"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

*sigh* the reason for the meteoric growth in Europe is price. I can go out today and buy an Orange San Francisco (ZTE Blade) on PAYG (pay as you go) for about £110 (and therefore own it outright), bring it home, unlock it for free and put my current sim card in it. I can then root it, update it to 2.2 or 2.3 if I really want to. What is my cheapest iPhone option? 3GS, only for £99 I'm tied to a contract for at least 1 year. If I want a contract free one, I'm looking at double the cost.

Moreover, if I buy a phone of a contract in the UK, I still end up paying over £100 for an iPhone 4, unless I go on to a ridiculous tariff. An Android phone, depending on model, is almost always Free or less than £100 for the handset.

That is the real reason. Total cost of contract phones is cheap, and prepaid is peanuts compared to Apple. Most kids buy prepaid in the UK, so given the bling factor of needing a smartphone to look cool, you have your answer.


[citation needed]

When I look around, I see the expensive Android phones from HTC and Samsung all around me - no cheap phones AT ALL. These phones are often even MORE expensive than iPhones. In The Netherlands, you can get iPhones on whatever carrier you want, with whatever contract you want - yet Android is still growing far faster.

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RE[4]: Phones vs tablets
by linux-it on Thu 28th Jul 2011 18:23 in reply to "RE[3]: Phones vs tablets"
linux-it Member since:
2006-07-13

and not only that, the return rate of botched iPhones is hiher than those HTC ones. We have seen so far ONE htc vision coming back, shattered. I have seen 6 or 7 iPhones now.

The android growth is in the netherlands indeed something Apple has to worry about.

Apple wants to control what you do with your stuff, if you don't like or want it.... android is there.

The only reason iPhones have longer battery runs, is because of the lack of decent mulitasking, not because the platform is better. Play a video on both devices and you will run out approx the same time.

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RE[4]: Phones vs tablets
by henderson101 on Fri 29th Jul 2011 10:07 in reply to "RE[3]: Phones vs tablets"
henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

[citation needed]


Depends on provider, but all you need to do is look at the Vodafone UK, Orange UK, T-Mobile UK and O2 UK sites. You can get a Galaxy 2S for LESS than an iPhone 4 on most sites, or at worst, the same cost. The iPhone 4 is, what, 9 months older design wise. So, basically, the iPhone 4 is still being sold at a PREMIUM price, where as the Android phones that came after it have dropped in price greatly. I'm not going to do your work for you. You're the part time journalist, I'm the Software Engineer.

When I look around, I see the expensive Android phones from HTC and Samsung all around me - no cheap phones AT ALL.


But the Netherlands isn't seeing the same economic crunch that the UK and the US is, so that is not a fair comparison. Here, we see a lot of cheap Android phones and they sell well. I see countless people trawling the various discount phone stores we have (Phones4u, Carphone Warehouse, etc) as well as the vendor own shops (as most UK mobile providers have shops on the high street) as well as online sales (google "cheap UK phone") for the absolute best offer. We don't have the same Mobile phone culture in the UK as the rest of Europe, as most people have subsidised contract phones or fairly cheap pre paid.

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RE[3]: Phones vs tablets
by JAlexoid on Thu 28th Jul 2011 09:04 in reply to "RE[2]: Phones vs tablets"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

And yet based on the prices of the off contract phones, iPhone4 in UK is the single best selling smartphone...

(Compare price of a off-contract iPhone4 with other EU markets...)

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RE[3]: Phones vs tablets
by aahjnnot on Thu 28th Jul 2011 12:08 in reply to "RE[2]: Phones vs tablets"
aahjnnot Member since:
2008-07-24

*sigh* the reason for the meteoric growth in Europe is price.

Not so. Here's a conversation that I recently overheard in Carphone Warehouse in the UK:

"I'd like to buy an iPhone, please"

"Fantastic; it's a great phone. But before you make your mind up, let me show you some of these Android phones. They let you do everything that an iPhone does, but, in my opinion, they're more powerful and you can choose from a range of different handsets"

"Really? I've never hear of Android. Are they really as good as an iPhone"

"Yes. I use one myself, and it's brilliant. Let me show you and you can make your own mind up."

Fifteen minutes later the customer was signing a contract for a top end Android phone. Price wasn't even mentioned as a benefit.

Sales people tend to sell what they believe in. And Android is winning the hearts and minds of the UK's mobile phone sales force.

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RE[4]: Phones vs tablets
by shotsman on Thu 28th Jul 2011 15:01 in reply to "RE[3]: Phones vs tablets"
shotsman Member since:
2005-07-22

Wrong.
The sales droid (pun intended) will sell whatever gets them the most commission at the end of the day.

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RE[4]: Phones vs tablets
by MOS6510 on Thu 28th Jul 2011 18:49 in reply to "RE[3]: Phones vs tablets"
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2011-05-12

My guess is he ran out of iPhones.

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