Linked by V. Deseinture on Fri 29th Jul 2011 20:50 UTC
Mandriva, Mandrake, Lycoris Unlike Apple and Microsoft, and despite numerous demands from their users, Linux distributions have been traditionally unable to directly ship the popular Adobe Flash Player with their packages, due to the closed source nature of the software and the restrictive license chosen by Adobe. While it does seems shorter than a regular EULA made by Microsoft with all the legalese that goes with it, it does still restrict redistribution in most cases, and the FAQ seemed to be clear about that point.
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RE: ...
by Liquidator on Sat 30th Jul 2011 00:22 UTC in reply to "..."
Liquidator
Member since:
2007-03-04

Commercial software should be downloaded and installed on-demand, not by installed by default.

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by Gullible Jones on Sat 30th Jul 2011 01:27 in reply to "RE: ..."
Gullible Jones Member since:
2006-05-23

Except that in this case, much of the internet won't work at all without it. And yes, we can whine all we want about how dumb that is - overuse of Flash is dumb - but that won't change the situation, at least not for a while.

IMO we need functionality by default, not ideology. Proprietary software may be inconvenient at times, but it is definitely here to stay, and if the Linux crowd doesn't cotton onto that idea their operating system will probably die off on the desktop.

Edit: oh yeah, just to be clear, I use Linux.

Edited 2011-07-30 01:30 UTC

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by anda_skoa on Sat 30th Jul 2011 09:38 in reply to "RE[2]: ..."
anda_skoa Member since:
2005-07-07

Except that in this case, much of the internet won't work at all without it.


Much of the Internet?
It would already be exaggerated to say much of the Web, but much of the Internet is borderline hilarious.

Lets assume for a moment that "normal people" don't use email, never use file sharing (ha!) and don't use any special purpose client software like games or media libraries.

Lets assume that these Internet users solely use a Web browser, what do you really need Flash for?

News portals? No
Travel or hotel booking? No
Online shopping? No
Online banking? Never heard of a bank requiring Flash but maybe there are some that don't want any customers.

I mean one of the main use cases of tablets is web browsing and the leading device (iPads) doesn't have Flash.

So I am sorry but I can't buy "much of the Internet won't work at all without it"

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by SlackerJack on Sat 30th Jul 2011 10:21 in reply to "RE[2]: ..."
SlackerJack Member since:
2005-11-12

Maybe for mainstream Linux but not general Linux distros with have FOSS at their heart. The distro breaks is principles by shipping proprietary software. A simple solution would be to make Flash and such software easy to install, which the likes of Ubuntu and openSUSE do.

Fedora will never do it but they're fine with that and so am I.

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by lucas_maximus on Sat 30th Jul 2011 14:51 in reply to "RE[2]: ..."
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

IMO we need functionality by default, not ideology. Proprietary software may be inconvenient at times, but it is definitely here to stay, and if the Linux crowd doesn't cotton onto that idea their operating system will probably die off on the desktop.

Edit: oh yeah, just to be clear, I use Linux.


If you feel that way, check out Fuduntu,

http://www.fuduntu.org/

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RE[3]: ...
by viton on Sat 30th Jul 2011 15:18 in reply to "RE[2]: ..."
viton Member since:
2005-08-09

Except that in this case, much of the internet won't work at all without it.

LOL. No one of the sites I visiting daily use flash.
Mainly news and programming-oriented stuff, blogs.
And I browsing'em all in iOS without any issue.
I wonder if any useful sites still use flash? I don't play flash games.

Edited 2011-07-30 15:19 UTC

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RE[2]: ... - choice and purpose
by jabbotts on Sat 30th Jul 2011 12:16 in reply to "RE: ..."
jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

The user should have the choice of feature complete fit for there needs. The distribution should have the choice of what legally distributable software it includes by default for the target user. There can be both feature complete distros and opt-in distros. Let Mandriva and Mint include it. Debian can still place it in the opt-in "non-free" repositor.

To be honest, I've thought it nuts that Canonical claims to deliver a distro for everybody especially new users yet it took a fork to Mint for "new user" commodity polish like more complete hardware support, codecs, flash and such. If new and average users are the target customer then one should favour enabling that type of user.

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