Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 26th Jul 2011 21:14 UTC
Apple Petty Apple is petty. Amazon, Kobo, and others have changed their applications to conform to Apple's App Store rules, and if there's one word that describes the situation these booksellers are in, it's petty. Still, it's leading to good things: Kobo has announced it's going to bypass the App Store by writing an HTML5 e-reader for iOS (and thus, for other HTML5-capable mobile devices).
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RE[5]: Not surprising, really!
by Laurence on Sun 31st Jul 2011 10:07 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Not surprising, really!"
Laurence
Member since:
2007-03-26


Studies have shown no evidence to support that claim.

On ageing eyes (~40+) that's true, but on younger eyes I am lead to understand that there is still a potential issue.

However trying to use an LCD on the move with bright light reflected and so on would me several magnitudes worse than simply just reading from an LCD in a darkened room

And the Kindle's display is unreadable in a dark bedroom, which is where I often read at night before going to sleep.

So turn a light on like you'd have to do with an old fashioned book.

I managed that when I was a kid. In fact I thought all bedrooms these days came equipped with a piece of technology called a "bed-side lamp" which is ideal for your sort of problem.


My house has electricity. I have a charger that works in my car and on my boat. Not an issue for me.

Regardless, it is still a portability issue that the Kindle wins against the iPad when comparing like for like.
Plus many people like to read on holiday when at the beach, or on the train / plane or even in the bath.
You don't see many electrical hook-ups in those locations.


Much of what I read is either technical books with color photos and illustrations, or full color magazines about the hobbies that interest me. The Kindle is worthless for either of those activities, which is why I had no e-reader prior to the iPad. Not everyone's reading it Tom Clancy fiction or romance novels.

No, but most people are. You're usage is pretty specific and pretty rare compared to most peoples eBook requirements. Thus eInk makes much more sense for the majority of people.

Edited 2011-07-31 10:15 UTC

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fmaxwell Member since:
2005-11-13

On ageing eyes (~40+) that's true, but on younger eyes I am lead to understand that there is still a potential issue.

"Lead to understand" by whom? Please cite your sources for that claim.

"And the Kindle's display is unreadable in a dark bedroom, which is where I often read at night before going to sleep.

So turn a light on like you'd have to do with an old fashioned book.

I managed that when I was a kid. In fact I thought all bedrooms these days came equipped with a piece of technology called a "bed-side lamp" which is ideal for your sort of problem.
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Unlike you, I do not sleep alone. I don't want to keep my significant other awake if I decide to read in bed for another half an hour or so after she's ready to drift off.

Of course you can put on a "bed-side lamp" to read. It's not like you're going to keep anyone else awake. You know what's "ideal for your sort of problem"? Single serving frozen dinners.

Plus many people like to read on holiday when at the beach, or on the train / plane or even in the bath.
You don't see many electrical hook-ups in those locations.

The iPad has a 9-10 hour battery life. How long do you spend reading in planes, trains, or the bath?

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Much of what I read is either technical books with color photos and illustrations, or full color magazines about the hobbies that interest me. The Kindle is worthless for either of those activities, which is why I had no e-reader prior to the iPad. Not everyone's reading it Tom Clancy fiction or romance novels.

No, but most people are. You're usage is pretty specific and pretty rare compared to most peoples eBook requirements. Thus eInk makes much more sense for the majority of people.
"
Reading magazines is rare? Do you stop and gawk when you see someone reading Popular Photography, Smithsonian, Rolling Stone, Car and Driver, Boating, Motorcyclist, or Wired? The National Directory of Magazines lists over twenty thousand different magazine titles just in the U.S. and Canada. There are far more magazines sold than books.

You are claiming that it's rare for people to read non-fiction books with color photos, drawings, graphs, and charts? Is it shocking to you to learn that normal people read things like travel guides, auto repair manuals, books about photography, and textbooks, all of which contain color photos and/or multi-color illustrations?

Normal people are living life; they are enjoying travel, sports, and hobbies, and reading about those things in full-color, glossy (like the screen of an iPad) magazines and richly illustrated books. That's partly why 29 million iPads have been sold while only 1.5 million Kindles have been sold -- despite the Kindle being sold for twice as long and at a fraction of the price.

P.S. With only 61% of the pixel count of the iPad, the Kindle suffers from the small amount of text that fits on its tiny screen. Coupled with page turning that New York Times columnist David Pogue described as "a bizarre, black-white-black flashing sequence," it is annoying to anyone who reads faster than the typical six year old.

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fmaxwell Member since:
2005-11-13

Sorry for the formatting, but OSnews hosed the nested quotes. They looked fine in the preview, and, in fact, I adjusted the line spacing to make everything neat and readable. But after submission, it italicized nested quotes rather than showing them as quotes.

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RE[7]: Not surprising, really!
by Alfman on Sun 31st Jul 2011 17:34 in reply to "RE[6]: Not surprising, really!"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

fmaxwell,

Clearly an ereader isn't for you, that's fine. But there's no sense in denying the strengths it has over other tablets including the ipad.

If apple sold an e-ink tablet, chances are you would immediately change your tune just because apple was behind it. I'm getting really tired of this kind of behavior, where people are overly proud of their favorite companies and fail to think objectively, though I suppose it is human nature.

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Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

"Lead to understand" by whom? Please cite your sources for that claim.

You mean like how you cited your sources? lol

Unlike you, I do not sleep alone.

No need to get catty. I have a girlfriend ans she likes to dress up. We share a bed and occasionally have sex too.

I'll assume you wanted to know all these details seeming as you brought up my personal life. ;)


I don't want to keep my significant other awake if I decide to read in bed for another half an hour or so after she's ready to drift off.

Surely the back light on an iPad is just as bad as having a bedside light on in that respect?!

I can't speak for your "significant other", but my girlfriend can't sleep if I'm playing on my phone and that chucks out half the light that a tablet would.

Of course you can put on a "bed-side lamp" to read. It's not like you're going to keep anyone else awake. You know what's "ideal for your sort of problem"? Single serving frozen dinners.

Lay off the oestrogen will you; I'm trying to have a mature discussion here.

Reading magazines is rare? Do you stop and gawk when you see someone reading Popular Photography, Smithsonian, Rolling Stone, Car and Driver, Boating, Motorcyclist, or Wired? The National Directory of Magazines lists over twenty thousand different magazine titles just in the U.S. and Canada. There are far more magazines sold than books.

There is this little thing called "context".
As far as I know, (and I'm open to being proved wrong if you can provide hard statistical evidence), magazines are seldom bought and read on eBook-like devices compared to novels.
These devices are built and sold to people who are heavy readers. It might be quite a specific niche, but it's still a huge market. eMagazine sales, in comparison to eBook sales, are significantly lower.

You are claiming that it's rare for people to read non-fiction books with color photos, drawings, graphs, and charts?

No, I said it's rare for people to read technical manuals (which you specified) in comparison to novels.
Again, please don't drop the context to just win an argument as you'll ultimately just make this whole discussion pointless.

Normal people are living life; they are enjoying travel, sports, and hobbies, and reading about those things in full-color, glossy (like the screen of an iPad) magazines and richly illustrated books. That's partly why 29 million iPads have been sold while only 1.5 million Kindles have been sold -- despite the Kindle being sold for twice as long and at a fraction of the price.

Most people who bought an iPad didn't buy it because they were specifically just after an eBook reader. Again, you're failing to compare like for like.

If you wanted something that could read magazines AND surf the internet, then yes a tablet such as the iPad is a better purchase. However if you JUST want to read books then it isn't.


I appreciate your specific usage means you happen to prefer the iPad. That's fine. We all have a preference in these things. However don't think that just because you prefer LCD to eInk that everyone else should or would. And, most importantly, don't lower discussions to personal jabs as you just undermine your whole credibility - as a wise man once said: if you can't reason with logic then you have no reason to begin with. ;)

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