Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 26th Jul 2011 21:14 UTC
Apple Petty Apple is petty. Amazon, Kobo, and others have changed their applications to conform to Apple's App Store rules, and if there's one word that describes the situation these booksellers are in, it's petty. Still, it's leading to good things: Kobo has announced it's going to bypass the App Store by writing an HTML5 e-reader for iOS (and thus, for other HTML5-capable mobile devices).
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RE[8]: Not surprising, really!
by fmaxwell on Sun 31st Jul 2011 18:52 UTC in reply to "RE[7]: Not surprising, really!"
fmaxwell
Member since:
2005-11-13

But there's no sense in denying the strengths it has over other tablets including the ipad.


I did not deny that it had strengths over other tablets. I didn't deny that it had a longer battery life or that the screen was much more readable in bright light. I never said that its lighter weight, lower cost, greater resistance to heat, or available free 3G aren't advantages either.

I simply argued that the advantages don't, for most people, outweigh the disadvantages of the smaller screen, lack of color, and its monopolistic nature (you can only buy ebooks from Amazon for it).

If apple sold an e-ink tablet, chances are you would immediately change your tune just because apple was behind it.


Apple makes, and has made, many products that I don't find to be particularly appealing. Don't presume to know how I would react to an Apple e-ink tablet.

I'm getting really tired of this kind of behavior, where people are overly proud of their favorite companies and fail to think objectively, though I suppose it is human nature.


I laid out clear, rational reasons why I, and apparently millions of others, prefer the iPad to e-ink tablets. Those reasons had nothing to do with the company logos on the devices, and everything to do with the capability of the devices.

If you've accomplished so little in your life that you are "overly proud of [your] favorite companies," companies with which you have no affiliation other than as a consumer, you have my pity.

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RE[9]: Not surprising, really!
by Alfman on Sun 31st Jul 2011 20:06 in reply to "RE[8]: Not surprising, really!"
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2011-01-28

fmaxwell,

"I simply argued that the advantages don't, for most people, outweigh the disadvantages of the smaller screen, lack of color..."

It sounded like you were downplaying the utility of those things for people who found them important, but if that was not your intention, then ok.

" and its monopolistic nature (you can only buy ebooks from Amazon for it)."

Apple supporters have absolutely no wiggle room to criticize others about this though.


"Apple makes, and has made, many products that I don't find to be particularly appealing. Don't presume to know how I would react to an Apple e-ink tablet."

If that doesn't describe you then I am glad, however then you should no doubt recognize the typical hypocrisy from the apple fanboys whom I speak of.


"I laid out clear, rational reasons why I, and apparently millions of others, prefer the iPad to e-ink tablets. Those reasons had nothing to do with the company logos on the devices, and everything to do with the capability of the devices."


You're definitely showing quite a lot of pro-apple bias though, almost all your criticisms of amazon apply equally if not more so to apple.

If this was merely a tactic to balance out the conversation, then ok. However if you really believe that amazon is guilty of those things and apple is not, then you may be more of an apple fanboy that you care to admit.

Edited 2011-07-31 20:08 UTC

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fmaxwell Member since:
2005-11-13


It sounded like you were downplaying the utility of those things for people who found them important, but if that was not your intention, then ok.

Since I made it a point to even name advantages that the other poster had not mentioned, it's pretty clear that I'm not trying to downplay anything.


Apple supporters have absolutely no wiggle room to criticize others about this though.


My iPad has ebook readers from Amazon (Kindle), Barnes & Noble (Nook), and Kobo, all advertised on and, and downloaded from, Apple's App Store. To the best of my knowledge, Apple charged no fees to any of those competitors.

By contrast, I see no Amazon-provided facility through which Kindle users can install ebook readers from Amazon's competitors (correct me if I am wrong, as I don't profess to be expert on Amazon's Kindle marketplace). In light of that, I believe that there is plenty of room to criticize about monopolistic practices.


You're definitely showing quite a lot of pro-apple bias though, almost all your criticisms of amazon apply equally if not more so to apple.

Again, how?

Does Amazon distribute an Apple-supplied iBook app for the Kindle? No.

Does Amazon provide a means by which their users can purchase and read ebooks from Apple, or any other competing vendor? No.

Has Amazon provided a huge marketplace to Apple in which to sell ebooks? No.

Yet Apple provides all of those things for Amazon in return is a cut from sales of ebooks. Amazon has a big headline on their web site "Newspapers and magazines in color on iPad and iPhone." It sure sounds like Amazon recognizes the importance of color, even if some of their vocal customers do not.

Think about this: Apple has sold 29 million iPads, over 100 million iPhones (as of March 2011), and tons (how's that for specificity?) of iPod Touchs. Had Apple played hardball, prohibiting the distribution of competing ebook readers through the App Store, Amazon would be stuck trying to market to their 1.5 million Kindle buyers. Instead, they have access to Apple's massive consumer market. In return, if they want the convenience of in-app purchases, they pay a percentage to Apple.

What's your alternative model? Apple distributes Amazon's app for free and lets Amazon lure away sales from Apple's own iTunes store and Apple gets no compensation? And in return, Amazon continues to prohibit Kindle owners from buying content from Apple?

Siding with the company that wants a cut from competitor's in-app sales versus siding with a company that prohibits competitors from selling at all hardly sounds like bias.

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