Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 4th Aug 2011 21:38 UTC
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y The Google-Microsoft patent war of words is continuing. Yesterday, Google (rightfully so, in my book) accused Apple, Microsoft, and Oracle partaking in an organised patent attack against Android, instead of competing on merit, claiming that they bought up Novell's and Nortel's patents solely to attack Android and its device makers. Microsoft struck back, claiming Google was offered to join in on the bids for the Novell patents, but rejected the offer. Google has now responded to this accusation - and to make matters even more confusing, Microsoft responded back. A public shouting match between two powerful parties? Count me in!
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RE: Google & software patents
by TechGeek on Fri 5th Aug 2011 03:54 UTC in reply to "Google & software patents"
TechGeek
Member since:
2006-01-14

Many people have bought Android phones on the recommendations of one or more of those tech connoisseurs, and from personal experience I know many that will never buy another, simply finding Android too confusing / complicated / inconsistent / unstable. Despite the rhetoric bandied around here, my personal approach is to tell people to go try out both, without the assistance of any salesperson, talk to non-techy people that they know who own one or the other, and make up their own mind. By a large margin those people have gone the iOS path.

The proliferation of Android phones has been driven purely by the carriers and marketing. The same thing happened when the carriers pushed Blackberry. iPhone came along, they pushed that, it became successful because it was simple yet powerful and feature rich compared to other offerings. But geeks wanted more and Apple wouldn't give it to them, so they stayed away in droves and lapped up Android when it came along. Many of those geeks work at phone retailers, and they sell Android phones on the back of their enthusiasm for it's power user features - things that the majority of the population would never use, and on Android couldn't work out how to use even if they wanted to. Just walk into a phone retailer and listen to them prattling on about multitasking this, tethering that, setting up a hotspot and customising your home screen, but ask them how to set up the device for visually impaired users or sync'ing it with your current iPod based music collection and they have a meltdown.

And the real giveaway is the tablet market. No carriers pushing it, after all there's bugger all dollars in it for them, and iOS is smashing Android despite there being about 10:1 advertising in the other direction. So again I ask, what has Apple got to be scared of? Anyone looking at this logically just sees a company doing what all companies who actually create anything do to protect their investment. If Google was in the business of creating, or should I say making money from their creations and not just from selling advertising, they'd be doing exactly the same thing.


Either you are wrong or Apple has no case. The way you describe Android, there is NO WAY anyone who isn't retarded would ever confuse Android and iOS. Android is just so bad that its not even comparable. So why is it that Apple is suing anyone for copying iOS. If its a copy, then that's saying its the same. So which is it? Are Android and iOS the same proving that there was copying? Or is Android such a pale comparison as to be an original creation?

To be honest, I think they are the same and that both Apple and Google copied from the people that came before them. That is why the two are so similar. But I don't expect Apple to ever admit that. Nokia had touch screen internet tablets long before iOS came out. Running a form of gnome or kde I can't remember atm.

Edited 2011-08-05 03:55 UTC

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przemo_li Member since:
2010-06-01

Apple is not suing anyone for coping iOS!

Google did not infringed copyright hold by Apple!

Apple sue Google for infringing ideas, Apple have patents for.



Problem with patents for software is that every piece of code is ONLY idea. So you can patent anything, anytime. Also giving monopole is very bad idea in software! You then get companies not carring to innovate more (just because they can stop others).
And also because copyright is there in place to stop outright copping source code (and thats case Google vs Oracle). Software is unique field "protected" by copyright and patents. Oh and 20y protection is just crazy. After 5-10y you just get things as granted and build on them new innovation. If patents last so long, you just cant do (cause you can not make innovation without crossing tooo many of them).

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deppbv78 Member since:
2008-06-29

But, patent documents not just detail an idea.. it also details a particular execution approach as an implementation of the idea. I'm not sure of somebody will get sued if they have a different approach to achieve the same idea.

Simple case we can consider is of pinch-to-zoom. Apple did not get patent for pinch-to-zoom or multitouch. They have a patent for a specific implementation involved two fingers on a viewport to zoom in a specific content displayed in the viewport. How is that not specific? If somebody wants to implement multitouch to zoom, then they should come up with their own idea not just copy what Apple innovated. BTW, I'm not arguing that Apple invented multitouch or pinch-to-zoom. Its just that they patented a specific procedure.

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TechGeek Member since:
2006-01-14

Apple is not suing anyone for coping iOS!

Google did not infringed copyright hold by Apple!

Apple sue Google for infringing ideas, Apple have patents for.


Actually Apple is suing Samsung over the "look and feel" of the Galaxy Tab. This I *believe* falls under copyright, not patents. Lets face it, Apple is suing the world just about.

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

Nokia's Maemo Linux is GTK based. I'm not sure if it's a modified Gnome or just a GTK DE similar to Gnome.

QT comes to Maemo later. Keepass is QT based and works on maemo but is clearly not using the native GUI widget set.

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