Linked by David Adams on Wed 10th Aug 2011 17:12 UTC, submitted by R_T_F_M
Apple The lure of shiny toys has helped Apple's BSD-based Mac OS X operating system overtake Linux to become the operating system that is the second most used by developers, according to Evans Data.
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RE[7]: Really?
by kristoph on Wed 10th Aug 2011 22:46 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Really?"
kristoph
Member since:
2006-01-01

Honestly you've no idea what your talking about.

- There is a vast array of open source command line tools in Mac OS X. The /usr/bin on my fresh Lion install has over a thousand and most of those are open source.

- The average command line binary that uses the standard C api (as opposed to Cocoa) will run just fine on Darwin and Mac OS X.

The reason why you perceive that Mac OS X is different is because the bulk of it's differentiation comes from the many proprietary kits that Apple has built.

Those kits certainly make Mac OS X unique but they do not invalidate the BSD heritage.

What's really ironic about your objections is many in the FreeBSD community feel that Apple has borrowed so much from FreeBSD that they should be giving more back to it's 'sister' operating system.

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RE[8]: Really?
by No it isnt on Wed 10th Aug 2011 23:43 in reply to "RE[7]: Really?"
No it isnt Member since:
2005-11-14

It's a bit weird that you claim that I don't know what I'm talking about without refuting anything I said. I agree with your every point.

The reason why you perceive that Mac OS X is different is because the bulk of it's differentiation comes from the many proprietary kits that Apple has built.

Those kits certainly make Mac OS X unique but they do not invalidate the BSD heritage.


I never intended to claim they invalidated the heritage. Apple has lifted lots of code from many places, and I will never deny that. Most OS X development, though, does not take place in BSD land, but rather in Cocoa, using libraries that have nothing in common with the BSDs.

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RE[8]: Really?
by sonnyrao on Thu 11th Aug 2011 05:00 in reply to "RE[7]: Really?"
sonnyrao Member since:
2011-07-18


What's really ironic about your objections is many in the FreeBSD community feel that Apple has borrowed so much from FreeBSD that they should be giving more back to it's 'sister' operating system.


That's really interesting if true.

I'm not a BSD person so I don't really know how they feel, but it seems like by choosing the BSD license, philosophically, one is stating anyone can take the work and do whatever they want with it and not have to give back... as opposed to GPL like license where one is stating that others must "give back" by releasing their changes when they distribute.

To be clear, I'm not trying to start a BSD vs GPL license flame war. It is just that your comment surprised me, and I'm just curious if that's how people who have chosen the BSD side really feel or not.

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RE[8]: Really?
by ggeldenhuys on Thu 11th Aug 2011 08:02 in reply to "RE[7]: Really?"
ggeldenhuys Member since:
2006-11-13

What's really ironic about your objections is many in the FreeBSD community feel that Apple has borrowed so much from FreeBSD that they should be giving more back to it's 'sister' operating system.


Sure is. They (the *BSD guys) should have thought of that when they defined the BSD license. That's what you get for being so generous with that license.

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RE[9]: Really?
by itanic on Thu 11th Aug 2011 08:27 in reply to "RE[8]: Really?"
itanic Member since:
2008-08-03

Just because the BSD license allows people the freedom not to share code, doesn't mean they don't think people should share code. They just prefer to allow people the freedom to make that decision for themselves, and contribute code back out of their own volition rather than be compelled to.

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RE[9]: Really?
by demetrioussharpe on Sat 13th Aug 2011 05:39 in reply to "RE[8]: Really?"
demetrioussharpe Member since:
2009-01-09

"What's really ironic about your objections is many in the FreeBSD community feel that Apple has borrowed so much from FreeBSD that they should be giving more back to it's 'sister' operating system.


Sure is. They (the *BSD guys) should have thought of that when they defined the BSD license. That's what you get for being so generous with that license.
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You're confusing the BSD users with the BSD developers. Sure, many of the users probably think that. Many users of various operating systems have various opinions. However, unless they're writing code or are a part of any of the organizations that're actually in charge, then I wouldn't put too much stock in their opinions. The fact of the matter is, many people who're BSD users weren't even around when the license was created. This is the situation that they've fallen into. I'm sure that many people don't like the rules of certain countries that they happen to visit, but who are they to make decisions about things like that??? No one is forcing BSD users to use BSD. No one is forcing Linux users to use Linux. The users are always free to use whatever they want to use. If they don't like the license, they can always leave.

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