Linked by David Adams on Fri 12th Aug 2011 03:50 UTC
Microsoft Microsoft no longer thinks Linux poses a threat to its desktop Windows business. Directions on Microsoft's Wes Miller pointed out via Twitter how Microsoft has changed the boilerplate "Competition" section in its last two annual financial filings with the SEC.
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RE: Successful
by joekiser on Fri 12th Aug 2011 13:57 UTC in reply to "Successful"
joekiser
Member since:
2005-06-30

From the article:

"This only applies to the Windows desktop, however."

In other words, Linux on the server is still a huge threat, but when it comes to desktop usage, you are exactly right. In addition to the three projects you mentioned, there's the problem of buggy graphics drivers from everybody except nVidia, and half the time you can't suspend/resume with the blob.

With regard to KDE4, Gnome3, Unity, there's one other thing to take into consideration: Microsoft got Windows 7 right. Add Cygwin and gVim and you've got a mature, stable desktop. The closest thing we have in FOSS is KDE4, which seems like the buggy, retarded clone of Win7. Unless you're broke, or follower of some ideology, there's no real advantage to using a Linux desktop anymore.

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RE[2]: Successful
by leech on Fri 12th Aug 2011 14:18 in reply to "RE: Successful"
leech Member since:
2006-01-10

Well except that Windows 7 still likes to try to control your environment far too much for my likes.

I really can't stand using Windows for much more than launching games.

If they ported Steam and all the games under it for Linux, I can pretty much guarantee a lot of people would switch. The only reason that hasn't happened with the Mac OS X port, is that the initial purchase price of Macs are still WAY too high for the hardware you get.

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RE[2]: Successful
by Neolander on Fri 12th Aug 2011 15:14 in reply to "RE: Successful"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

I'd say that in my experience, the Win7 UX ranks very high in the hall of shame of retardedness. Performance is terrible, the updating system... well... makes me wonder if abolishing death penalty was the right choice, the explorer breadcrumbs are ridiculously small and you need to hack your system with admin rights to get a Up button, the control panel is a mess, Notepad++ is no match for a Kate as far as usability is concerned...

GNOME 2 on F14 is far from flawless (#1 urge to kill is that column of inactive pixels on the corner of the panel, making mouse targeting stupidly painful), but it works definitely best for me.

Edited 2011-08-12 15:14 UTC

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RE[3]: Successful
by zlynx on Fri 12th Aug 2011 17:28 in reply to "RE[2]: Successful"
zlynx Member since:
2005-07-20

Your description of Windows 7 makes me wonder if we are running the same operating system.

For me the UI responds instantly, the control panel works fine and the update system is for the most part invisible and automatic except for the occasional need to reboot for an update.

And text editors have nothing to do with the OS. You could probably rebuild Kate for windows if you took out any KDE specific bits and made it a Qt app. Personally, I run gvim for my text editing needs on Windows.

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RE[3]: Successful
by dragossh on Sat 13th Aug 2011 03:57 in reply to "RE[2]: Successful"
dragossh Member since:
2008-12-16

I'd say that in my experience, the Win7 UX ranks very high in the hall of shame of retardedness. Performance is terrible

That was my experience with KDE4. What's up with a bajillion notifications per second? Where's the clear all button? Why do I have to go manually through all of them, click close and watch the jerky resizing? Why can't I search in control center and press enter? I have to switch input methods to get to the thing I want. What's up with the retarted UI decisions like let's have a wireless selection menu that's half your screen and you have to click 1030219312 times to get where you want.

the updating system...

I had no problems with it. Update pops up, user press update, user happy. Most of the time without even a reboot.

the explorer breadcrumbs are ridiculously small and you need to hack your system with admin rights to get a Up button

The breadcrumbs here are okay. And you have about 5 up buttons in the breadcrumb bar, I don't see why you need one.

the control panel is a mess

Yes, but they built it thinking you'd use search. Wanna change your resolution? Type change resolution. Wanna edit your PATH? Type environment variables.

Notepad++ is no match for a Kate as far as usability is concerned...

What does that have to do with Windows? You can install Kate in Windows too.

I feel like Cygwin and some other KDE apps make the perfect desktop for me. Whenever I boot into KDE4, I can only describe it as bearable. Sometimes it's great. But sometimes it likes annoying the crap out of me.

Edited 2011-08-13 04:00 UTC

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RE[2]: Successful
by senshikaze on Fri 12th Aug 2011 15:59 in reply to "RE: Successful"
senshikaze Member since:
2011-03-08

I freaking love Gnome 3. But there is a very good reason why it is called "personal preference." The Gnome 3, Unity, KDE, OS X DM, Windows DM argument sounds like the same fucking argument over gay marriage in the US. Who cares?! If you aren't gay, why the fuck does it bother you? This is the exact same situation. Who cares if you don't like Gnome 3. I do, you don't, we can still be (internet) friends. Chill. I don't particularly care for OS X or Windows, but I'm not bashing it or anyone who uses it.

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RE[3]: Successful
by joekiser on Fri 12th Aug 2011 16:14 in reply to "RE[2]: Successful"
joekiser Member since:
2005-06-30

The Gnome 3, Unity, KDE, OS X DM, Windows DM argument sounds like the same fucking argument over gay marriage in the US. Who cares?! If you aren't gay, why the fuck does it bother you? This is the exact same situation. Who cares if you don't like Gnome 3. .


Bad analogy, no one is forcing gay marriage on you. Plus, I can throw your own argument back at you by asking if you don't care, why even bother to comment on the article? My argument was that Windows has improved, while Gnome/KDE/Ubuntu regressed with their latest versions. These UIs are being forced onto people by planned obsolescence of the older interfaces (unless you use a LTS, in which case you risk not having support for new hardware). As someone who grew up with UNIX, I know I can switch to awesome or openCDE now that all the other desktop environments are broken. A typical user does not know that, nor do they care to learn, and that is why Linux has been downgraded as a threat on the desktop.

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RE[2]: Successful
by Stephen! on Fri 12th Aug 2011 17:41 in reply to "RE: Successful"
Stephen! Member since:
2007-11-24

The closest thing we have in FOSS is KDE4, which seems like the buggy, retarded clone of Win7.


How can KDE4 be considered a clone, considering it was released a year before Windows 7?

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RE[3]: Successful
by joekiser on Fri 12th Aug 2011 19:50 in reply to "RE[2]: Successful"
joekiser Member since:
2005-06-30

"The closest thing we have in FOSS is KDE4, which seems like the buggy, retarded clone of Win7.


How can KDE4 be considered a clone, considering it was released a year before Windows 7?
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The Kickoff menu was first created by Novell for KDE 3 as a response to betas of Windows Vista. From the announcement: (http://old-en.opensuse.org/Kickoff)

"The team evaluated the start menus of common desktops including KDE 3.5, the GNOME main menu developed for SUSE Linux Enterprise 10 Desktop and Windows Vista Beta 2."

The stasks plasmoid (which made KDE's taskbar like Windows 7's) was first uploaded in February 2009 (http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/STasks?content=99739). This was four months after Microsoft first released videos of the new Windows 7 taskbar (http://cybernetnews.com/windows-7-taskbar-screenshots-video/)

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