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Microsoft Microsoft no longer thinks Linux poses a threat to its desktop Windows business. Directions on Microsoft's Wes Miller pointed out via Twitter how Microsoft has changed the boilerplate "Competition" section in its last two annual financial filings with the SEC.
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RE[2]: Successful
by Neolander on Fri 12th Aug 2011 15:14 UTC in reply to "RE: Successful"
Neolander
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2010-03-08

I'd say that in my experience, the Win7 UX ranks very high in the hall of shame of retardedness. Performance is terrible, the updating system... well... makes me wonder if abolishing death penalty was the right choice, the explorer breadcrumbs are ridiculously small and you need to hack your system with admin rights to get a Up button, the control panel is a mess, Notepad++ is no match for a Kate as far as usability is concerned...

GNOME 2 on F14 is far from flawless (#1 urge to kill is that column of inactive pixels on the corner of the panel, making mouse targeting stupidly painful), but it works definitely best for me.

Edited 2011-08-12 15:14 UTC

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RE[3]: Successful
by zlynx on Fri 12th Aug 2011 17:28 in reply to "RE[2]: Successful"
zlynx Member since:
2005-07-20

Your description of Windows 7 makes me wonder if we are running the same operating system.

For me the UI responds instantly, the control panel works fine and the update system is for the most part invisible and automatic except for the occasional need to reboot for an update.

And text editors have nothing to do with the OS. You could probably rebuild Kate for windows if you took out any KDE specific bits and made it a Qt app. Personally, I run gvim for my text editing needs on Windows.

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RE[4]: Successful
by Neolander on Fri 12th Aug 2011 22:54 in reply to "RE[3]: Successful"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

And the OP's description of Linux of Windows 7 made me wonder if we are running the same operating systems.

See where I'm going ?

(PS : If you really think that the Windows 7 updater is fine, I guess you have always got an admin account on your computers. May I suggest that you also try it as a limited user who has some work to do ? Believe me, it's fun.

Before that, I too just found Windows Update annoying, and unconsciously quickly adjusted the settings to something that makes it more tolerable. It's only on my current work PC, which I don't own and can't tweak, that I've discovered the level of carefully-crafted sadistic design that has been put into this thing's default settings.

You have to experience it firsthand to understand, I think. This backwards counter, like a bad Hollywood bomb detonator, popping up silently behind the active windows so that you don't notice it right away, counting the minutes you have left with your work, second by second. The disabled "Later" button that's laughing at your stressed face as you attempt to finish what you are doing in time, and the enabled "Reboot now" button that's here just to make fun of you a little more. The magical moment, at the end of the 15 minutes, where all applications you were using get brutally killed without a warning or a chance to do something for your unsaved data, in one very rare example of instant responsiveness from this OS. Then, as you wonder if that mail you sent during the last minute was actually sent or not, the frustration of waiting as the machine sluggishly install part of its updates, sluggishly reboots, sluggishly installs some more updates, sometimes reboot again...

I see two possibility as to how this thing could come to existence. Either the guy who coded it never actually tried it with a limited account, or it was a military experiment somewhere around Guantanamo which no one ever knew everything about...)

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RE[3]: Successful
by dragossh on Sat 13th Aug 2011 03:57 in reply to "RE[2]: Successful"
dragossh Member since:
2008-12-16

I'd say that in my experience, the Win7 UX ranks very high in the hall of shame of retardedness. Performance is terrible

That was my experience with KDE4. What's up with a bajillion notifications per second? Where's the clear all button? Why do I have to go manually through all of them, click close and watch the jerky resizing? Why can't I search in control center and press enter? I have to switch input methods to get to the thing I want. What's up with the retarted UI decisions like let's have a wireless selection menu that's half your screen and you have to click 1030219312 times to get where you want.

the updating system...

I had no problems with it. Update pops up, user press update, user happy. Most of the time without even a reboot.

the explorer breadcrumbs are ridiculously small and you need to hack your system with admin rights to get a Up button

The breadcrumbs here are okay. And you have about 5 up buttons in the breadcrumb bar, I don't see why you need one.

the control panel is a mess

Yes, but they built it thinking you'd use search. Wanna change your resolution? Type change resolution. Wanna edit your PATH? Type environment variables.

Notepad++ is no match for a Kate as far as usability is concerned...

What does that have to do with Windows? You can install Kate in Windows too.

I feel like Cygwin and some other KDE apps make the perfect desktop for me. Whenever I boot into KDE4, I can only describe it as bearable. Sometimes it's great. But sometimes it likes annoying the crap out of me.

Edited 2011-08-13 04:00 UTC

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RE[4]: Successful
by Neolander on Sat 13th Aug 2011 08:47 in reply to "RE[3]: Successful"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Look, frankly, I don't want to start a flamewar on this. Use what works best for you, and I use what works best for me on my side. I'm not advocating that Linux is the One True Way which everyone should follow, what I'm claiming is that *for me in particular* the Linux way works better, and that it's not as if Windows didn't have its problems.

You must remember that the post you're replying to was written in response to a post which claimed this :

Unless you're broke, or follower of some ideology, there's no real advantage to using a Linux desktop anymore.

As far as I'm concerned, every single computer OS I've tried, as of today, sucks in some way. This includes mobile operating systems. My conclusion is that what you choose as your main OS is nothing but a compromise, based on personal preferences and physiologic/mental capabilities, that attempts to minimize how much you get hurt. You are different than me, and you have unconsciously got used to a different set of problems of your operating system than me, so it's only logical that we make different choices. No need to try to prove that your choice is superior.

Case in point :

The breadcrumbs here are okay. And you have about 5 up buttons in the breadcrumb bar, I don't see why you need one.

I'm very glad for you that your brain works better than mine on this one. You see, when I use something as regularly as a file browser, I want it to feel natural, and for me natural is when I don't have to look carefully, don't have to think, and just use muscle memory.

So a big, dumb "Up" button, which is always at the same place and consistently goes up one level in my well-known folder hierarchy, is a better fit (for me !) than having to target the breadcrumb bar, attentively alter targeting because the first try wasn't precise enough, then continue to stare the breadcrumb bar as I visually analyze it, locate the end of its content, go two arrows and one variable-sized chunk of text left (while still being very careful that my mouse doesn't move out of that thin vertical area in the middle of a large heap of unused space), click, and... finally, done.

I know that some people got perfectly used to these breadcrumbs. And I'm happy for them, really. I even find them practical in some particular circumstances. Sadly, my brain is apparently not compatible with them for everyday use, so I prefer the good old "Up" button and am sad that Microsoft have hidden that functionality so deeply that you need an admin account to get it back. That's all.

It's the same as translucent windows. Some people just find them cool-looking (because, seriously, a transparent window, how cool is that ?), whereas for me it's distracting, visually indigestible stuff, which gets in my way in everyday computer usage, so the first thing I do when I set up a Windows 7 box for my use is to disable window translucency and turn them black.

Edited 2011-08-13 09:00 UTC

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