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GNU, GPL, Open Source Google has finally acknowledged that its characterization of Android as open source is false and, in the end, this can only make the mobile platform stronger, InfoWorld's Galen Gruman argues. 'It's hard for believers to accept that open source brings with it difficulties, but look at the consistent failure of the other open source mobile platforms -- Moblin, Maemo, and MeeGo -- that all devolved into grad-student-like thought experiments and personal pet projects. Users don't want that, and ultimately products are sold to users.' Instead, Google has been quietly taking parts of Android back in house to develop them purposefully and deeply, and as Google has asserted more control over Android, it's improved.
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RE: Wrong
by lucas_maximus on Sat 13th Aug 2011 07:50 UTC in reply to "Wrong"
lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

I honestly wonder if you guys live in the real world.

I've used Linux for a decade now and have found it to be infinitely more fulfilling than being trapped in a closed product like I was for so many years before.


Why?? Seriously There is nothing that you can't do on MacOSX or Windows that you can do on Linux or BSD based OSes.

The only reason people are willing to settle for closed source operating systems is b/c they don't know any better.


What utter rubbish. Typical Elitism ... "other people only use stuff because they don't know any better."

People want stuff that works outta the box, most people don't want to have to tinker etc etc ... nobody buys a washing machine where you have to install the drum yourself.

I will grant you that Apple does a good job of it, but guess what? It's built on top of BSD. Android on the other hand is getting to be like Windows.


Yes it is becoming like Windows, in that it is ubiquitous ... you are just butthurt that Google have realized that open sourcing the platform doesn't give them any benefit.

Constantly crashing. Always something not working quite right. But hey that's what creates jobs right? So a lot of stupid people will keep using it. To bad for them.


What utter rubbish again.

I haven't had 1 single crash system lockup from my Windows XP machine at work that gets used 10 hours a day ... 5 days a week for 2 years.

My Windows 7 machine runs flawlessly without reboot for months.

Windows NT kernel is extremely reliable (especially after NT 4.0) and you will not see BSODs or system lockups unless you have failing hardware.

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RE[2]: Wrong
by soulrebel123 on Sat 13th Aug 2011 09:29 in reply to "RE: Wrong"
soulrebel123 Member since:
2009-05-13


Why?? Seriously There is nothing that you can't do on MacOSX or Windows that you can do on Linux or BSD based OSes.


So they finally put APT on Windows? Can I also mount my home folder on a software raid-1 partition?
Can I hack a wireless network from MacOSX, now?
Can I choose among different desktop environments?
Can I configure a Windows system for complete security? Can MacOSX run on a ten years old computer as a network firewall?
Most of all, can I legally use Windows of MacOSX free of charge?
Oh and can I patch stuff or even report a bug on those systems?

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RE[3]: Wrong
by Neolander on Sat 13th Aug 2011 09:49 in reply to "RE[2]: Wrong"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Just one little note : there is such a thing as a bug tracker for Windows, and other Microsoft products.

http://connect.microsoft.com/

It's just that few people know about it, and that the Microsoft employees there often behave more like technical support ("Here's how you can get around the problem") than like bug smashers ("Okay, help us find out where the problem comes from so that we can truly fix it")

Edited 2011-08-13 09:50 UTC

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RE[3]: Wrong
by lucas_maximus on Sat 13th Aug 2011 10:03 in reply to "RE[2]: Wrong"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

So they finally put APT on Windows?



Got me there ... I can't use a slow package management system, but I can install programs quickly and easily from .exe and .msi files (or I just unzip) ;-D.

Can I also mount my home folder on a software raid-1 partition?


http://www.softwaresecretweapons.com/jspwiki/windows-7-software-rai...

Can I hack a wireless network from MacOSX, now?


Yes ... you can do this on any computer ... seriously it us just a network protocol.

Can I choose among different desktop environments?


On Windows XP and MacOSX you can yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_shell_replacement

http://www.cs.ucla.edu/~eoster/osxx11/

dunno why you want to but yes.

Can I configure a Windows system for complete security?


Yes it called unplugging the network cable, pouring concrete over it and putting it at the bottom of the ocean ... No computer system is 100% secure.

Can MacOSX run on a ten years old computer as a network firewall?


No okay, got me there. But why would you want to use a 10 year old computer as a firewall and spend more money running it than buying a decent router ... I have no f--king idea.

Most of all, can I legally use Windows of MacOSX free of charge?


TBH if it being $0 is the only reason you are using something that just makes you a cheapskate ... I personally don't mind buying a Windows License for £120 and then get to use that product for approximately 10-14 years with support ... Lets just work out how much that costs per day of use ..

£120 / (365 * 10) = £0.03 = 3pence a day ...

I think that is the amount I usually put into the charity box when I get given change at the local store.


Oh and can I patch stuff or even report a bug on those systems?


Windows has an automatic bug reporting tool, and both systems have regular updates and patches.

If you are going to say "I can patch the sources yourself" ... I doubt very much you write your own Kernel patches so all you are doing is patching the system yourself.

Way to go buddy ... you have proved you are a ignorant cheapskate

Edited 2011-08-13 10:05 UTC

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RE[3]: Wrong
by Aragorn992 on Sat 13th Aug 2011 12:59 in reply to "RE[2]: Wrong"
Aragorn992 Member since:
2007-05-27

"
Why?? Seriously There is nothing that you can't do on MacOSX or Windows that you can do on Linux or BSD based OSes.


So they finally put APT on Windows? Can I also mount my home folder on a software raid-1 partition?
Can I hack a wireless network from MacOSX, now?
Can I choose among different desktop environments?
Can I configure a Windows system for complete security? Can MacOSX run on a ten years old computer as a network firewall?
Most of all, can I legally use Windows of MacOSX free of charge?
Oh and can I patch stuff or even report a bug on those systems?
"

So in summary, all the things you listed that Linux apparently can do and Win/MacOS apparently cannot are next to useless for 99.9% of people.

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RE[3]: Wrong
by MacTO on Sat 13th Aug 2011 18:28 in reply to "RE[2]: Wrong"
MacTO Member since:
2006-09-21

You have effectively proven that closed source software is not for you.

But I'm going to tell you something: the people who care about the stuff that you mentioned, scientists and engineers, represent about 1% of the population. Now you could argue that there are plenty of people who are interested in the stuff that you mentioned, yet aren't professional scientists or engineers. Which would be true. Yet it is also true that a significant proportion of those scientists and engineers couldn't give a damn about a single thing that you mentioned on your list. So I'm going to suggest that you're still stuck at about 1% of the population who even cares about the same things that you care about.

And guess what? Google doesn't want to serve 1% of the market. Worse yet, they don't want to serve 1% of the market that is both fragmented among competitors and a market that would fragment their own product into competitors.

So if you want to use open source, I wish all the best to you. But please don't expect everyone to follow you if only they were a bit smarter.

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RE[2]: Wrong
by Lennie on Sat 13th Aug 2011 10:16 in reply to "RE: Wrong"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

"Why?? Seriously There is nothing that you can't do on MacOSX or Windows that you can do on Linux or BSD based OSes."

I don't know about you, but I work on servers a lot of the time where Linux does have a lot of advantages over MacOSX and Windows and having the same system on my desktop is really useful.

Also my Linux desktop is a lot more stable than Windows, even Windows 7. I've seen lots of problems with it. Maybe not BSOD, but still things that needed a reboot just to be useable again.

But I do know Linux really well, much better than most know Windows I'm sure. Just so you know, I do Windows server management also, so I know Windows fairly well to.

If you take a Linux distribution which doesn't want to support all the new fancy hyped features and your hardware is properly supported it is more stable than Windows.

But finding hardware which has good drivers, especially graphics, can be a problem.

Obviously that is mostly a vendors and desktop marketshare problem, not really a Linux problem.

If the vendors give out all the information needed to make the drivers, the Linux developers would develop the driver. Just look at the Linux Driver Project.

But just to summarize: it all depends on what you use it for.

Don't say Windows is better, it isn't true. It is different. And different people have different use-cases.

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RE[3]: Wrong
by lucas_maximus on Sat 13th Aug 2011 12:32 in reply to "RE[2]: Wrong"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

The OP's comment basically came down to ... "Open is better, because it is open". Without actually reading why google are doing this.

I know it is swings and roundabouts ... depending on hardware you stability will vary with any Operating system.

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RE[2]: Wrong
by itanic on Sat 13th Aug 2011 12:06 in reply to "RE: Wrong"
itanic Member since:
2008-08-03

Seriously There is nothing that you can't do on MacOSX or Windows that you can do on Linux or BSD based OSes.


That's a totally ignorant statement, and raises the question why you are on an OS enthusiast site. Almost any operating system offers some unique features, and Linux/BSD both offer several that don't exist on MacOSX or Windows, as well as each having their own unique benefits. If you can't think of anything you can't do on MacOSX or Windows that you can do on Linux or BSD based OSes, you fail at operating systems.

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RE[3]: Wrong
by lucas_maximus on Sat 13th Aug 2011 12:25 in reply to "RE[2]: Wrong"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

I was more of a Devil's advocate comment against the usual Windows bashing and complete Bullshit that was in his comment.

I actually use OpenBSD, Icaros, Windows, IRIX and I have a fedora machine as Web server and a XBMC media box.

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RE[2]: Wrong
by rr7.num7 on Sat 13th Aug 2011 19:08 in reply to "RE: Wrong"
rr7.num7 Member since:
2010-04-30

While I agree with most of what you wrote, this:

Windows NT kernel is extremely reliable (especially after NT 4.0) and you will not see BSODs or system lockups unless you have failing hardware.


is not true.

Yes, in general, NT is reliable but not "extremely", and yes, you can see BSODs (at least on XP) for purely software-related problems. The last one I experienced was because of a bug that made XP restart or show a BSOD, if you run a program with a certain type of manifest file. A fix was available soon after, but still, it's insane that something as simple as an XML file can crash the whole OS.

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RE[3]: Wrong
by Lennie on Sun 14th Aug 2011 13:37 in reply to "RE[2]: Wrong"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

But the fun only just started with Windows Vista/7/2008, the Ping Of Death is back:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS11-064.mspx

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RE[2]: Wrong
by JAlexoid on Sat 13th Aug 2011 22:54 in reply to "RE: Wrong"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

My Windows 7 machine runs flawlessly without reboot for months.

Windows NT kernel is extremely reliable (especially after NT 4.0) and you will not see BSODs or system lockups unless you have failing hardware.


I'm happy for you.

And my 4 y/o machine(that has hardware labelled as supported by Vista) has a crapload of issues when I switch to play games on Windows7. Main reason why Linux is my main OS now - the hardware support is nowhere near what it is in Linux. I guess the tables have turned...

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RE[3]: Wrong
by lucas_maximus on Sun 14th Aug 2011 09:35 in reply to "RE[2]: Wrong"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

I honestly think that some of these problems are made up tbh or you guys buy the cheapest shittiest e-machine PCs.

I have never seen Vista or 7 BSOD for anything that was not hardware related ... never. I used to make a little extra cash fixing computers while at uni.

"In Real Life" as opposed to the internet is the only places that I see these problems.

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