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Linux When it comes to the fast-moving business of trading stocks, bonds and derivatives, the world's financial exchanges are finding an ally in Linux. As late as 2007, Wall Street exchanges were still largely run on Unix . . . Over the past few years however, Linux has crept into this market, showing up first in ancillary systems and then running a few core exchanges.
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solaris is meehh
by TechGeek on Wed 17th Aug 2011 00:08 UTC
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2006-01-14

I have nothing against Solaris, but I really don't think its all that. Its got some cool features, dont get me wrong. But even when Sun owned it, it wasn't the end all be all system. Now, had Sun adopted the GPL for Solaris instead of the CDDL, we might all be using Solaris in the server room now. And Sun would be the size of Microsoft or Apple. But they made their bed so to speak. People were moving from Solaris to Linux BEFORE Oracle bought Sun. I think the hardware was the main reason. People just weren't going to pay the premium for Sun hardware. Now people just want to avoid Oracle.

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RE: solaris is meehh
by Lennie on Wed 17th Aug 2011 00:29 in reply to "solaris is meehh"
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2007-09-22

My real experiences of Solaris was 10 years ago and people called it Slowlaris so I don't really know.

I think that was the same time that Solaris wasn't very compatible with many open source software because it used a lot of the BSD-/non-GNU-tooling.

So it wasn't very attractive, at least not to me.

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RE[2]: solaris is meehh
by Kebabbert on Wed 17th Aug 2011 10:26 in reply to "RE: solaris is meehh"
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2007-07-27

My real experiences of Solaris was 10 years ago and people called it Slowlaris so I don't really know.

I think that was the same time that Solaris wasn't very compatible with many open source software because it used a lot of the BSD-/non-GNU-tooling.

So it wasn't very attractive, at least not to me.

The reason it was called Slowlaris was because of its slow TCP/IP stack. It has now been rewritten and is called FireEngine. In older benchmarks I found, Solaris gives 30% more TCP/IP performance than Linux - on same hardware.

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RE[2]: solaris is meehh
by asdf on Wed 17th Aug 2011 15:41 in reply to "RE: solaris is meehh"
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2009-09-23

A decade ago, our company was selling software solutions on both solaris and linux. It was very IO / CPU hungry. After seeing 2x >$100k sun boxes handily beaten by single x86 linux machine costing around 15k only ~1.5 years later, it was quite clear sun was on a steep downhill. We really couldn't find anything compelling about sun machines or solaris. Most praises about it seem pretty nostalgic to me.

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RE: solaris is meehh
by SReilly on Wed 17th Aug 2011 07:24 in reply to "solaris is meehh"
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2006-12-28

People were moving from Solaris to Linux BEFORE Oracle bought Sun. I think the hardware was the main reason. People just weren't going to pay the premium for Sun hardware. Now people just want to avoid Oracle.

Indeed people where moving to Linux before Oracle bought Sun but that was mainly replacing EOL small SPARC systems used for networking with either Linux/X86 or networking appliances(most of which are Linux or BSD based). In the finance sector and especially with big merchant banks the cost of a good SPARC system is well worth it. Retraining your staff on the other hand costs money and running Linux on a three X86 server VMWare setup to get the same reliability than with one SPARC system is not money saved.

Solaris is a very advanced and mature system. Coupled with SPARC it's rock solid which in many ways is vastly more important. As I've mentioned before, the only system that competes with it in the big iron UNIX market is AIX on POWER.

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RE: solaris is meehh
by kvarbanov on Wed 17th Aug 2011 14:49 in reply to "solaris is meehh"
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2008-06-16

Yeah, me neither. I've had and still have experience with various *BSD systems, Solaris 9 & 10, AIX 5 & 6, Linux ranging from RHEL, SLES, Fedora, Gentoo, etc.

I don't know why one would compare Solaris and Linux (which Linux, precisely?). They are not of the same age, same financial supporting, etc.

My experience with Solaris hasn't been that good, I've had the overpriced T series around, and I was comparing with Dell R710 - the first one is 30k, the second is max 11k. Write a single large file to the OS' default filesystem and let me know the results. I was shocked to see how much slower Solaris is.
Had to run couple of industry FS benchmarks, just to find out that these two machines are not comparable for my task.

Certainly, the SPARC processors may be good in other areas, but I'm yet to witness them. But that's not a rant, it's a practical experience. It's the price what concerns me most.

On the other hand, I can install CentOS / RHEL or SLES on whatever hardware I like. Freedom.

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RE[2]: solaris is meehh
by Lennie on Thu 18th Aug 2011 19:11 in reply to "RE: solaris is meehh"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

When you do your own support, Linux is great.

But I guess these people need big support contracts and they depend on these businesses to deliver a good product for them.

They are basically saying they can't find a good Linux company which delivers an integrated solution.

Which to me seems unlikely, but maybe it's true.

I know nothing about their needs.

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