Linked by David Adams on Wed 17th Aug 2011 17:48 UTC, submitted by suka
Gnome In an extensive interview with the Austrian tech site derStandard.at/web GNOME3 designer Jon McCann talks about the future of GNOME3 - and why it's all about the apps - why he is convinced that KDE and Ubuntu are actually different operating systems and also reacts to the outspoken criticism against GNOME 3 which has been making the rounds lately.
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RE[2]: Gnome 3 is better
by fast_rizwaan on Thu 18th Aug 2011 07:55 UTC in reply to "RE: Gnome 3 is better"
fast_rizwaan
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2010-09-01

>It requires more clicks for users to do some thing like application switch,

To switch between applications only 1 click is required, move your mouse pointer to activities, and click on the available running application window. Btw, keyboard shortcut, Alt+Tab also works.

>or to get an overall status of the system.
Do you mean system-monitor or system-info? Assign a shortcut to the "/usr/bin/your-command" in custom keyboard shortcuts; I've assigned "xcalib -a -i" to ctrl+shift+i for invert color effect for reading. and If you add that shortcut to the panel as favorite then again 1 click will do the job.

>It forces desktop users to use their desktop PC as a tablet.
Please give a week's time to gnome-shell; don't just hate it because it's different. When I first saw gnome-shell, I said, "What! NO minimize, no taskbar, no menu?"

I thought, It's different but is it useful and better somehow? so, I decided to try using it for a few days; and with each passing day, I have found that I'm least distracted by notifications, or overwhelmed with too many tasks buttons (as in KDE 4.7, which out of being overwhelmed, I would do "killall -KILL X" to escape the stupefying task buttons.); and things are easier.

I know 3.0 is not perfect, no shortcut to switch tasks after pressing "Super" key; or "invert effect for a single window"; but I will become better with each new release.

Would you try gnome-shell for a week to ascertain its value?

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RE[3]: Gnome 3 is better
by sdeber on Thu 18th Aug 2011 11:45 in reply to "RE[2]: Gnome 3 is better"
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To switch between applications only 1 click is required, move your mouse pointer to activities, and click on the available running application window. Btw, keyboard shortcut, Alt+Tab also works.

Your description is exactly what I complained. A proper task list has to be present in front of the user. But with gnome-shell, one has to go to Activities or Alt+Tab. Any of these requires a mental context switch, which is rather annoying.

Do you mean system-monitor or system-info? Assign a shortcut to the "/usr/bin/your-command" in custom keyboard shortcuts; I've assigned "xcalib -a -i" to ctrl+shift+i for invert color effect for reading. and If you add that shortcut to the panel as favorite then again 1 click will do the job.

No, that is not what I mean. By overall system status, again, I mean the user should be able to know how many applications are open and what they are.

Please give a week's time to gnome-shell; don't just hate it because it's different. When I first saw gnome-shell, I said, "What! NO minimize, no taskbar, no menu?"

Dude, I have been a gnome user since gnome 1.4. And I have been trying gnome-shell before it was formally released. I never managed! Some people would say that "You just cannot stand with the new changes!". Well, yes and no. For example, whenever my boss changes my position with a promotion, or changes my salary by increasing it, I am always very very happy. If he cut down my salary by half, I would not be happy anymore.

During my try of using the developing Gnome-shell, I had already noticed that it is terrible. However, the developers promised to the community that the final release will be good. OK, they did improve the quality of the code, the design is still terrible.

I thought, It's different but is it useful and better somehow? so, I decided to try using it for a few days; and with each passing day, I have found that I'm least distracted by notifications, or overwhelmed with too many tasks buttons (as in KDE 4.7, which out of being overwhelmed, I would do "killall -KILL X" to escape the stupefying task buttons.); and things are easier.

distraction, too many buttons, etc, all these small things. I have never had any serious problem with them, I don't like them but they I can adjust myself. But what gnome 3 did is that up to some level, it enforces a work flow to every user. Anyone who refused to use this work flow will be terribly annoyed. I think the gnome developers have gone too far.

I know 3.0 is not perfect, no shortcut to switch tasks after pressing "Super" key; or "invert effect for a single window"; but I will become better with each new release.


None of these bothers me, again, I can adapt myself.

Would you try gnome-shell for a week to ascertain its value?


Again, you have no idea about how much effort I had made to work with gnome 3. The more I try, the more pains I get. I even hated KDE developers for them making KDE 4 so resource consuming and Xfce developers for them making Xfce so primitive. But finally, I have to move.

I still wish that gnome can change so that I can use it again, in fact that is why I am still concerned with news about gnome.

Edited 2011-08-18 11:49 UTC

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RE[4]: Gnome 3 is better
by fast_rizwaan on Thu 18th Aug 2011 17:17 in reply to "RE[3]: Gnome 3 is better"
fast_rizwaan Member since:
2010-09-01

>Again, you have no idea about how much effort I had made to work with gnome 3. The more I try, the more pains I get. I even hated KDE developers for them making KDE 4 so resource consuming and Xfce developers for them making Xfce so primitive. But finally, I have to move.

Ok, I understand that you are very much used to your way of working; and simply cannot move on to a new desktop with a new behavior. Your resistance to new behavior is really making you frustrated. It's understandable.

>I still wish that gnome can change so that I can use it again, in fact that is why I am still concerned with news about gnome.

I don't think such big decisions will ever change for the default behavior; but there are always users and developers which will allow previous look and feel with extensions/fallback mode, etc.; fore example see this:

Gnome3 extenstions that provide Gnome2 look and feel:

http://intgat.tigress.co.uk/rmy/extensions/index.html

http://www.webupd8.org/2011/05/new-gnome-shell-extensions-that-prov...

http://www.micahcarrick.com/gnome3-shell-taskbar-dock.html

So, there you go, you can have your Gnome3 desktop like you've been loving, using extensions:

But I as a KDE use since 1.1, simply can't have windows key working in it; because the KDE devs hate 1 key for 2 tasks. Even though it was there working fine; they removed it citing 'bad code' reason. And there are too many 10+ year old bugs and feature requests rotting in http://bugs.kde.org; and they don't give a damn about them.

I have been thinking why KDE guys simply do not make proper applications, fix issues which are bothering so many users; and make the fancy vaporware into reality, and how come the interface remains so buggy; well, we can see this: Microsoft + Nokia

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12427680

Yes, I suspect that QT and KDE developers are pawns at the hands of microsoft to not to make the Linux Desktop work as a good desktop and let the bugs be not addressed as they might have sold their soul to Microsoft.

After shaking hands with Nokia, why do you think microsoft says, Linux is no more a threat on desktop?

http://www.technewsworld.com/story/73074.html

Obviously, it is QT and KDE4 which is helping the enemy.

KDE4.0 to 4.7, so many years, and still buggy and inconsistent!?

Gnome 3.0? no bugs! from day 1, Not too many features, yes, but never crashed!!!

I'm pleasantly surprised and astonished!

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