Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 18th Aug 2011 19:34 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems Major bombshell, and sorry, but this certainly requires a breaking tag as well: HP has announced it is discontinuing operations for webOS devices - effective immediately. Just like that... The TouchPad and Pre 3 are dead. Eh. Raise your hands if this brings back those painful memories of that infamous 'Focus Shift'. In addition, the company also announced its intention to sell its personal computer business.
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RE[5]: If you say so...
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 18th Aug 2011 21:19 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: If you say so..."
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

Hey now you're changing the game. You said it would be the same as with the iPhone and Android will "dominate" That to me means that Android tablets will have a greater share than the iPad. 30% is nothing if the iPad has 65% (Windows maybe 5%?). That's not much of a prediction or even a big leap from today.


Uhm, it took Android 3 years to dominate the smartphone market and reach the 50% it's at now. The 'new' tablet market is about one year old now. In another year, Android on tablets will be where Android on phones was one year ago - about 30%.

So yeah.

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RE[7]: If you say so...
by JAlexoid on Thu 18th Aug 2011 21:58 in reply to "RE[6]: If you say so..."
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

Some explanation missing maybe? You know, that 10% was the unexpected drop, because many pundits and fanbois said that it would drop a lot more. I can't even say if iPhone makes up 20% of Verizon's phone sales now from that chart...

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RE[7]: If you say so...
by Gusar on Thu 18th Aug 2011 22:07 in reply to "RE[6]: If you say so..."
Gusar Member since:
2010-07-16

Why am I surprised that after clicking the link, I found the title to be completely misleading?

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RE[6]: If you say so...
by leos on Thu 18th Aug 2011 21:47 in reply to "RE[5]: If you say so..."
leos Member since:
2005-09-21

Uhm, it took Android 3 years to dominate the smartphone market and reach the 50% it's at now. The 'new' tablet market is about one year old now. In another year, Android on tablets will be where Android on phones was one year ago - about 30%.

So yeah.


You said: "Let me assure you - the same will happen to tablet. You'll be surprised to see what the tablet landscape looks like 12 months from now."

Android tablets have about 20% share right now (http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/report-android-steals-20-of-tablet-ma...).

So your prediction is that that will increase to 30% in one year? Fine, I agree, but that doesn't fit in with your earlier prediction that the tablet landscape will look significantly different in a year.

Right now the iPad dominates, and in a year it will still dominate, but by a lesser degree. How exactly will we be surprised at that change?

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RE[7]: If you say so...
by JAlexoid on Thu 18th Aug 2011 21:54 in reply to "RE[6]: If you say so..."
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

He probably means proper tablets, not that crap that has been out for 12 months now...

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RE[7]: If you say so...
by jtfolden on Fri 19th Aug 2011 20:45 in reply to "RE[6]: If you say so..."
jtfolden Member since:
2005-08-12

That 20% share is in units SHIPPED not Sold. By Google's own figures there are only about 1.4M Android 3.x tablets in active use.

Edited 2011-08-19 20:52 UTC

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RE[6]: If you say so...
by Joy_Division_Lives! on Thu 18th Aug 2011 22:23 in reply to "RE[5]: If you say so..."
Joy_Division_Lives! Member since:
2011-07-29

Uhm, it took Android 3 years to dominate the smartphone market and reach the 50% it's at now. The 'new' tablet market is about one year old now. In another year, Android on tablets will be where Android on phones was one year ago - about 30%.

So yeah.


With one phone (iPhone compared to over 48 different models of Android) taking over 66% of all smartphone profits, you have a strange definition of dominating. Apple is the #1 smartphone manufacturer in sales. And the reason you keep limiting it to smartphones is that iOS beats Android in total installations. (phones, tablets, and mp3 players)

And, of course you will be honest when your 30% doesn't come true because I know you wouldn't count "sales-in-channel" as actual sales to consumers.

Edited 2011-08-18 22:23 UTC

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RE[7]: If you say so...
by cmchittom on Fri 19th Aug 2011 16:53 in reply to "RE[6]: If you say so..."
cmchittom Member since:
2011-03-18

With one phone (iPhone compared to over 48 different models of Android) taking over 66% of all smartphone profits, you have a strange definition of dominating. Apple is the #1 smartphone manufacturer in sales. And the reason you keep limiting it to smartphones is that iOS beats Android in total installations. (phones, tablets, and mp3 players)


All of what you say may be true, but here's a couple of quotes worth thinking about:

"[The] Android operating system . . . is currently on about half of the smartphones in the U.S."[1]

"Mr. LEVY: Well, Apple has been worried, because Android phones are outselling iPhones now. Apple makes more money per phone because the Apple system enables them to get money from the hardware and from the software. Google makes money on the back end."[2]

Both from NPR, a reputable news source.

I don't really have a dog in this race—I do have an Android phone, but only because it happened to be the smart phone my provider offered—I just thought this discussion needed some citations.

[1] http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/08/15/139639049/with-plann...
[2] http://www.npr.org/2011/08/17/139696567/mobile-landscape-changes-wi...

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RE[6]: If you say so...
by dsmogor on Fri 19th Aug 2011 10:29 in reply to "RE[5]: If you say so..."
dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

I don't know. First android phones weren't so throughly rejected compared to the tablets. By all accounts producers that have flopped badly one time will be wary to go back into the business even if all the indicators look right again.
Also as much as I hate to admit, next year also Microsoft will enter the arena with their massive 3rd party sw ecosystem expertise. They are willfully disabling native developement for WP7 to make all the apps relevant for upcoming Windows 8 release on Intel based tablets (that by the time should become close enough to arm ones in battery life). And they will have win32 apps, the feat that android doesn't have.

With webos demise mobile linux has encountered another severe hit. That seems to somehow validate Elop Nokia strategy as both webos and meego seem to have similar market conditions (with meego having notably better sdk).
Anyway if huge patent portofolios are required to even compete with a product (as US is basically imposing its rules to the rest of the world) then OSS is irrelevant anyway.

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