Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 22nd Aug 2011 21:19 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Last week, HP killed its webOS devices unit. Over the weekend, the company slashed the prices on the TouchPad. The result? The TouchPad sold out completely in a matter of hours. This confirms what I've been hearing from friends and family: "I'd love a tablet, but I'm not paying laptop money for one."
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RE[2]: Interesting experiment
by kristoph on Mon 22nd Aug 2011 22:59 UTC in reply to "RE: Interesting experiment"
kristoph
Member since:
2006-01-01

On a global scale, that's really not that many units sold for a consumer device. Especially not considering that it is supposed to usher in the death of the desktop.

It's actually the fastest selling consumer product in the history of man kind.

For $500 you can get a decent laptop that does more than an iPad, not to mention desktop systems.

You can but the iPad is not really there to compete with a $500 (Windows) laptop. You can do stuff on such a laptop but (for most people) the experience will not be nearly as pleasant as the using an iPad 2.

Might explain why Apple haven't sold more units.

I'll just say again here that the iPad is the fastest selling consumer product in human history.


"It turns out there is no such thing as a 'tablet market'.
Just an iPad market.


Uh, yeah, ok. Maybe you need to step out of the RDF for a while.
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Actually, at this time, there is a very small non-iPad tablet market, and a very large iPad market. That's the reality today.

It might change and the iPad could become like the iPhone with 20% market share or it could be like the iPod with 65% marker share.

Yea, that didnt work out AT ALL for the IBM PC. Apple was such a dominant player in the desktop space. Not learning from the past, are we.


I don't know about the past but Apple today is worth more then Dell, HP, and Lenovo combined so I don't think they need to learn much from the past.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

It's actually the fastest selling consumer product in the history of man kind.


I doubt that. Remember - the iPad is actually TWO products. The Nokia 1100 alone sold 200 million units in five years - that's 40 million *per year*, compared to your combined iPad1/2 sales of, like, 25-30 million in 18 months.

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modmans2ndcoming Member since:
2005-11-09

unfortunately... it is a Nokia 1100.

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RE[3]: Interesting experiment
by zima on Mon 22nd Aug 2011 23:15 in reply to "RE[2]: Interesting experiment"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

It's actually the fastest selling consumer product in the history of man kind.

We're not talking about Nokia 1100 here.

I'll just say again here that the iPad is the fastest selling consumer product in human history.

My, you are confused.

So, what is it for iPad in a year+, a mere 30 million? Try 250 million over the course of 3-4 years.

the iPad could become like the iPhone with 20% market share or it could be like the iPod with 65% marker share.

iPhone in a subcategory, iPod in few visible markets... plus, the world simply quickly zoomed past the time of dedicated music players. It's clear ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ipod_sales_per_quarter.svg ) the iPod really took off (and still only in few atypical places) at roughly the same time it happened also to mobile phones with music player capability (mobile phones which weren't castrated by carriers in most places)

Yes, their music capability isn't used so universally as in the case of iPods. For my region, it's something like 20-30% of all European mobile phone users also regularly listening music on them. But that already adds up just in that one region to an absolute value in the range of total number of iPods ever produced.

Anyhow, in a reasonably prosperous ex-Comecon late EU memberstate, I can probably count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I've seen an iPod (well, excluding mine...). S1 mp3 players, and similar (Creative, et al), seemed to be typical for quite some time; largely replaced by mobile phones few years ago already (typically by so called "feature phones" ...though, later, often in a form of touchsreens, like LG Cookie).
And most places are less prosperous than mine, with even greater mark-up on Apple products.

I don't know about the past but Apple today is worth more then Dell, HP, and Lenovo combined so I don't think they need to learn much from the past.

This one always fascinates me. People are often very quick, particularly at tech forums, to voice their disdain towards bankers, brokers, etc. ...except when worshipping valuations of some darling of theirs made by... the very same despised people.

Edited 2011-08-22 23:17 UTC

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RE[4]: Interesting experiment
by JAlexoid on Tue 23rd Aug 2011 00:54 in reply to "RE[3]: Interesting experiment"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

iPad1 is not iPad2. Otherwise we should count in the replacement of Nokia 1100 on the market and that will blow iPad range away any day now.

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Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22

I don't know about the past but Apple today is worth more then Dell, HP, and Lenovo combined so I don't think they need to learn much from the past.
This one always fascinates me. People are often very quick, particularly at tech forums, to voice their disdain towards bankers, brokers, etc. ...except when worshipping valuations of some darling of theirs made by... the very same despised people.


Personally I don't despise bankers, I just think they need better regulation.
If there was no food hygiene regulations then lots of people would die from food poising after eating in restaurants - it wouldn't make restaurants a bad thing just unregulated restaurants.

On your substantive point. Economic performance does matter, not only is is it an indicator of the relative success of the competing technologies and products in the market place but also because all the technologies would be meaningless if they are not made into products by enterprises and the long term economic health of those enterprises drastically effects which products have a secure future and which don't.

Total valuation is not on it's own a telling indicator but it is indicator along with profitability, revenues, balance sheet etc.

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06


You can do stuff on such a laptop but (for most people) the experience will not be nearly as pleasant as the using an iPad 2.


Yes.. because the ipad is far more "pleasent" for using keyboard/mouse centric programs or replacing everything one could do with a 500$ laptop right? Be careful how you throw around the claim that no computer use can be a pleasent as on your brand loyalty.

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kristoph Member since:
2006-01-01

Yes.. because the ipad is far more "pleasent" for using keyboard/mouse centric programs or replacing everything one could do with a 500$ laptop right? Be careful how you throw around the claim that no computer use can be a pleasent as on your brand loyalty.



You missed my point. I was simply saying that on a $500 laptop most software generally runs poorly.

I have a USD 450 Lenovo I got purely for development testing and the thing is pretty poor. The battery life sucks, browsing performance is bad (that could be mostly flash though), Microsoft office apps struggle, and don't even think about playing any PC games from this era.

On the other hand I don't have any such issues with an iPad 2 and so the experience is much better at a comparable cost.

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RE[3]: Interesting experiment
by tupp on Tue 23rd Aug 2011 17:17 in reply to "RE[2]: Interesting experiment"
tupp Member since:
2006-11-12

It's [the Ipad] actually the fastest selling consumer product in the history of man kind.

This statement is yet another classic example of the unrelenting Apple hyperbole and of the irrationality of most Apple worshipers.

One would have to include a few severely limiting conditions in such a statement, before it could even become close to being true. Then, the brag wouldn't be very impressive.

Do Apple fanboys really believe that more Ipads have been sold in a day/week/month/year than cans of Coca-Cola? ... bottles of Budweiser? ... packs of Malboro cigarettes? ... gallons of Exxon gasoline? The list goes on and on. These are definitely consumer products (and the user actually "consumes" most of them).

It would not be surprising that Apple sales are strong, in light of the fact that there are many who actually believe statements such as the one quoted above. Certainly, Apple sales figures have less to do with the merits of Apple products and more to do with Apple marketing.

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RE[4]: Interesting experiment
by kristoph on Tue 23rd Aug 2011 18:30 in reply to "RE[3]: Interesting experiment"
kristoph Member since:
2006-01-01

No, your right, that was my fault and as other pointed out, Nokia holds that crown.

I confess to being biased given that I hold a non trivial number of Apple shares but I do own all of these devices including a dozen apple products, several Android devices (several phones and a tablet), and several PC's (actually I was a Win developer in my past life).

I do believe Apple products are currently the best based on my usage of them all - the computers and the tablets more so then the phones.

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