Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 22nd Aug 2011 21:19 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Last week, HP killed its webOS devices unit. Over the weekend, the company slashed the prices on the TouchPad. The result? The TouchPad sold out completely in a matter of hours. This confirms what I've been hearing from friends and family: "I'd love a tablet, but I'm not paying laptop money for one."
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RE[3]: Interesting experiment
by karunko on Tue 23rd Aug 2011 14:02 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Interesting experiment"
karunko
Member since:
2008-10-28

a) Build a better value stack for your customers (world's best and biggest app store, world's best retail experience, world's best brand, world's best digital content store, etc).

Please, define "world's best". According to whom or what?

b) Build a set of products that cater for every market segment, except the piss poor crap end

Okay, where is my headless desktop then? And no, the Mac Pro doesn't really qualify.

c) Build the world's best supply chain and use your cash mountain to not only secure the best components but prevent your competitors from getting their hands on any.

And this is good for me as a consumer because...? Maybe you sit in the board of directors and I don't, but I thought competition was (supposedly) a good thing, but it seems that no company really wants any -- Apple in particular.

d) Based on the above build products that no one can else can match in price and quality

Yeah, keep on dreaming. Or check the prices. Whichever is going to cause you less stress. As far as I am concerned, my only reason to be interested in Apple is OS X. Or rather, was. Lion is firmly in the "what where they thinking" category and, if this is any indication of the things to come, I'm ready to move on.

Trying to dismiss the scale of Apple's achievement or the size of the impact it is having on the PC and tech world is just silly.

And what about believing AND repeating baseless claims then?

The iPad is kicking away the last legs that the sclerotic PC makers were leaning on. HP' departure won't be the last.

Steve, is that you?


RT.

PS: Could we have "fanboy (-1000)" option and just save time in the future? ;-)

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RE[4]: Interesting experiment
by ccraig13 on Tue 23rd Aug 2011 16:09 in reply to "RE[3]: Interesting experiment"
ccraig13 Member since:
2011-05-31

Okay, where is my headless desktop then? And no, the Mac Pro doesn't really qualify.

Ever hear of a mac mini?

PS: Could we have "fanboy (-1000)" option and just save time in the future? ;-)

How bout a "I don't know how to google (-1000)" option?

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RE[5]: Interesting experiment
by karunko on Tue 23rd Aug 2011 16:36 in reply to "RE[4]: Interesting experiment"
karunko Member since:
2008-10-28

"Okay, where is my headless desktop then? And no, the Mac Pro doesn't really qualify.

Ever hear of a mac mini?
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I said desktop, by which I mean some parts should be user replaceable/expandable -- at very least disks (as in more than one), RAM and graphics card. At the moment only RAM fits the description. In other words: no matter how you spin it, there's no such thing and Apple is conspicuously absent in this market segment.

"PS: Could we have "fanboy (-1000)" option and just save time in the future? ;-)

How bout a "I don't know how to google (-1000)" option?
"
Is this relevant or adding anything to the discussion? My point was that I was just feeding the troll. What's yours?


RT.

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Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22

Please, define "world's best". According to whom or what?.



Well the Apple app store has the most apps and sells the most apps and makes developers a lot more money than any other app store. Thus best. Apple retail stores are hugely popular, have astonishing best of class visitors and sales per square foot and are growing much fast than an other retail chain. Thus best. Apple's brand always tops or comes near the top of customer appreciation and satisfaction surveys, brand appreciation surveys, reliability surgery etc. Thus best. Apple has the digital contents store with the biggest range of content and larger turnover and sales. Thus best. It's not rocket science.

Okay, where is my headless desktop then? And no, the Mac Pro doesn't really qualify.


Mac Mini - duh!

And this is good for me as a consumer because...? Maybe you sit in the board of directors and I don't, but I thought competition was (supposedly) a good thing, but it seems that no company really wants any -- Apple in particular.


That depends whether you like Apple products or not. My comment was about understanding why Apple succeeds, which includes factors such as this.


Yeah, keep on dreaming. Or check the prices. Whichever is going to cause you less stress. As far as I am concerned, my only reason to be interested in Apple is OS X. Or rather, was. Lion is firmly in the "what where they thinking" category and, if this is any indication of the things to come, I'm ready to move on.


Competitors have struggled to match the iPad in build quality and price and when they come close they make far less money than Apple. Its a similar story with the Macbook Air, competitors cannot match the unibody build quality and price and have been begging Intel unsuccessfully for special discounts


Steve, is that you?


You may not like the way the tech world is evolving but trying to pretend it isn't changing or that Apple isn't doing remarkably well especially in the new growth sectors is just silly. You don't have to be a fan boy to see what is happening or to be interested in the reasons why.

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RE[5]: Interesting experiment
by karunko on Tue 23rd Aug 2011 17:23 in reply to "RE[4]: Interesting experiment"
karunko Member since:
2008-10-28

"Please, define "world's best". According to whom or what?.


Well the Apple app store has the most apps and sells the most apps and makes developers a lot more money than any other app store. Thus best [...] It's not rocket science.
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Only if you are ready to accept that, say, Lady Gaga is the best musician ever because she sells more records than [obscure or semi obscure musician of choice]. ;-) And I find rather odd that, all of a sudden, bigger means better while not until too long ago it was all about "quality". Looks like fat numbers are important only when they're good for you.


"Okay, where is my headless desktop then? And no, the Mac Pro doesn't really qualify.


Mac Mini - duh!
"
As I said:
- Can you replace the RAM? Check.
- Can you replace the hard disk? No.
- Can you have more than one? No. (Unless you go for the server version).
- Can you replace the graphics card? No.

Also, no matter how sleek the design is, it still represents very poor value for money.


Competitors have struggled to match the iPad in build quality and price and when they come close they make far less money than Apple. Its a similar story with the Macbook Air, competitors cannot match the unibody build quality and price and have been begging Intel unsuccessfully for special discounts

I asked before and I'll ask again: please explain how this is good for me as a consumer.



RT.

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Well the Apple app store has the most apps and sells the most apps and makes developers a lot more money than any other app store. Thus best.


That's not the definition of best. Most != best.

Apple retail stores are hugely popular, have astonishing best of class visitors


What's a "best of class visitor"? The king?

Apple has the digital contents store with the biggest range of content and larger turnover and sales. Thus best.


You're not measuring quality, you're measuring quantity. By the same measurement Britney Spears made "the best" music and the VW Beetle is "the best" car.

It's not rocket science.

Differentiating between quantity and quality seem to be rocket science though.

Edited 2011-08-23 19:02 UTC

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