Linked by AdamW on Tue 23rd Aug 2011 22:10 UTC
Fedora Core Fedora 16 Alpha is released today, featuring GNOME 3.1.4 with a unified input indicator for keyboard layouts and input methods, KDE 4.7, GRUB 2 on new installations (with GPT disk labels) and several other major changes. You can download it now. Remember to read the important information in the release notes and common bugs page.
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RE: Ugly Font Rendering
by AdamW on Tue 23rd Aug 2011 22:55 UTC in reply to "Ugly Font Rendering"
AdamW
Member since:
2005-07-06

For the fiftieth time: font rendering is an extremely subjective area and what you consider 'ugly', others may well consider nice. It's really not worth getting that worked up about.

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RE[2]: Ugly Font Rendering
by Flatland_Spider on Tue 23rd Aug 2011 23:11 in reply to "RE: Ugly Font Rendering"
Flatland_Spider Member since:
2006-09-01

That's true, but the Liberation fonts, without any other changes, look better then the default.

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RE[3]: Ugly Font Rendering
by AdamW on Wed 24th Aug 2011 16:16 in reply to "RE[2]: Ugly Font Rendering"
AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

Again, subjective. If you think a different font looks better, change the font - it really ain't that hard.

(Personally I use Cantarell for everything. I even put it on my phone...)

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RE[2]: Ugly Font Rendering
by righard on Tue 23rd Aug 2011 23:34 in reply to "RE: Ugly Font Rendering"
righard Member since:
2007-12-26

That's very true. Using me as an example, I love the fonts in Fedora, I always try to emulate it in other Arch since I tried Fedora once.

Also, many people love the fonts in Windows, I loath them.

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RE[2]: Ugly Font Rendering
by smoerk on Wed 24th Aug 2011 00:48 in reply to "RE: Ugly Font Rendering"
smoerk Member since:
2009-07-10

There are subjective preferences and there is bad rendering. Ubuntu, OSX and Windows 7 render the fonts differently, but with good quality. The font rendering I see on my screen with Fedora 16 alpha is just wrong. This has nothing to do with taste, it's objectively inferior to Ubuntu. Maybe it's a problem with the alpha version, I haven't compared it with previous Fedora releases.

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RE[3]: Ugly Font Rendering
by Rahul on Wed 24th Aug 2011 01:17 in reply to "RE[2]: Ugly Font Rendering"
Rahul Member since:
2005-07-06

Objectively inferior? Even in this thread, atleast one person has pointed out that they like how Fedora fonts look. You are discounting that entirely.

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RE[3]: Ugly Font Rendering
by phoenix on Wed 24th Aug 2011 18:23 in reply to "RE[2]: Ugly Font Rendering"
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

Sooo ... where is your objective proof that the font rendering is so horrible?

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RE[2]: Ugly Font Rendering
by allanregistos on Wed 24th Aug 2011 08:47 in reply to "RE: Ugly Font Rendering"
allanregistos Member since:
2011-02-10

For the fiftieth time: font rendering is an extremely subjective area and what you consider 'ugly', others may well consider nice. It's really not worth getting that worked up about.

I highly doubt that it is _extremely_ subjective area.
The font rendering is important(consider moving from XP to Fedora) and you will see the font difference.

What people missed about font rendering is not about BEAUTY where subjectivity applies, as you've said. It is about how the system properly displays the font without overlapping characters, the system must handle this properly so that it is easier for the user to read regardless of the beauty, and Linux desktop failed to address this. Yes the default font is readable enough, but it is still fall short of what fonts should be.

Try to replace your fonts via appearance and look at the characters on your desktop especially terminal, and you will see the ugly fonts.

Ubuntu at least have tried to address this, and I like their ubuntu fonts more than the liberation fonts or anything Fedora provides.

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RE[2]: Ugly Font Rendering
by lucas_maximus on Wed 24th Aug 2011 21:41 in reply to "RE: Ugly Font Rendering"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

it is a well known problem with the auto hinter ... there is even a RPM repo for fixing it.

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