Linked by David Adams on Sat 20th Aug 2011 15:38 UTC, submitted by sjvn
Editorial In five years, Red Hat CEO Jim Whitehurst sees the traditional desktop becoming obsolete.
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RE[4]: Business Computers
by BluenoseJake on Wed 24th Aug 2011 16:38 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Business Computers"
BluenoseJake
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No, I did not give the perfect example of cloud computing, because in Nova Scotia, and most other provinces of Canada, we are required by law to be responsible for our customer's confidential data, and cloud computing is problematic, because any information that is collected by the organization must not be stored in an other country, or be shared with another organization without express written permission by the client.

If you don't know where your data is, then it is not secure, and it isn't yours.

Everything where I work is on the server, but a lot of our internal apps are web apps, and you can't trust the cache, or the browser. You can't keep clients from saving passwords (everybody has too many) so our computers, in the department I look after, are desktops, and will remain desktops.

People who need laptops get laptops from a pool, and are cleaned after they are returned. The few people who have full time laptops are not allowed to access confidential info.

oh, and network booting Windows isn't harder than anything else.

Any more questions?

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RE[5]: Business Computers
by phoenix on Wed 24th Aug 2011 16:47 in reply to "RE[4]: Business Computers"
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No, I did not give the perfect example of cloud computing, because in Nova Scotia, and most other provinces of Canada, we are required by law to be responsible for our customer's confidential data, and cloud computing is problematic, because any information that is collected by the organization must not be stored in an other country, or be shared with another organization without express written permission by the client.


Yes, we have FOIPPA rules in BC as well. ;)

If you don't know where your data is, then it is not secure, and it isn't yours.


Exactly. Which is why you should not have *any* local storage in the client computer. Period. ;) That way, you know exactly where everything is stored -- on the server.

Everything where I work is on the server, but a lot of our internal apps are web apps, and you can't trust the cache, or the browser.


IOW, not everything is stored on the server. ;)

You can't keep clients from saving passwords (everybody has too many) so our computers, in the department I look after, are desktops, and will remain desktops.


Sure, desktops are fine ... so long as they are network booted, with no local storage, mounting everything off the server, and storing everything on the server. ;) As soon as you put a local harddrive into a desktop, all bets are off. (Of course, you would also have to disable all USB ports to make it 100% "no local storage", but that's a bit harder to do.)

People who need laptops get laptops from a pool, and are cleaned after they are returned. The few people who have full time laptops are not allowed to access confidential info.


This is where the vpn and remote desktop apps come into play, so that you don't have to run any critical apps off the laptop. The laptop basically becomes a thin-client. Again, you don't use the local storage for anything, not even running a web browser.

oh, and network booting Windows isn't harder than anything else.


It's a lot harder to do that Unix.

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RE[6]: Business Computers
by BluenoseJake on Wed 24th Aug 2011 17:11 in reply to "RE[5]: Business Computers"
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the web apps are on a local server, storing the data in a local database, so how is that not on our server? The users passwords are never just stored on the server, the ultimate place they are stored is in the users heads, and sometimes, that's not good enough.

RDP is a wonderful thing, but it isn't an answer for everything, and in this case, if they don't need access to confidential data, they don't get it.

We have users who work from home, they use vpn and rdp. From a desktop. No reason for anybody traveling to do that.

I take data security very seriously. It's part of my job. People make mistakes, and it's almost impossible to keep them from compromising their passwords.

Storing them in a relatively secure appliance saved on their desktops is more secure than a sticky note in their laptop bag. and users will do that.

cloud computing is not nearly as secure as local systems can be made to be, with a good admin. cloud computing is a security nightmare waiting to happen. Look at all the big hacks that have occurred recently.

Then you have laws like the patriot act, and others, and I'll keep my data locally, and off mobile devices, thank you very much.

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