Linked by AdamW on Tue 23rd Aug 2011 22:10 UTC
Fedora Core Fedora 16 Alpha is released today, featuring GNOME 3.1.4 with a unified input indicator for keyboard layouts and input methods, KDE 4.7, GRUB 2 on new installations (with GPT disk labels) and several other major changes. You can download it now. Remember to read the important information in the release notes and common bugs page.
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RE[2]: no 3d with nvidia 9800gt
by fast_rizwaan on Thu 25th Aug 2011 17:32 UTC in reply to "RE: no 3d with nvidia 9800gt"
fast_rizwaan
Member since:
2010-09-01

>It is an alpha, system eating gremlins are to be anticipated. if it does it in betas and RCs then we can start being disappointed

>It is a Alpha release. Have you filed a bug report?

So does alpha means no testing whatsoever on the most popular GPUs (nvidia, ati, intel) before releasing?

At least before releasing the alpha, shouldn't the devs try booting the live-cd /live-usb with some well-known hardwares and drivers?

Is this what being a user means? Filing bugs even for the obvious absolute untested releases? And strangely, this 3d crash in nouveau/nvidia bug is not mentioned in Known issues. Which should not have been there if they tested just by booting with the shiny new release.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_16_Alpha_release_notes#Known_I...

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F16_bugs

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RE[3]: no 3d with nvidia 9800gt
by Rahul on Thu 25th Aug 2011 20:17 in reply to "RE[2]: no 3d with nvidia 9800gt"
Rahul Member since:
2005-07-06

You do realize that we don't have all the different hardware? We test on our own systems and I don't have a Nvidia system for instance and 3D is Nouveau is very much specific to the hardware in question.

Since it is not a known issue, it is not in that list. If you file a bug report, the developer can track it down and fix it. If you rather complain here, feel free to.

The assertion that it can be found by basic testing is factually incorrect since this test releases went through several test and releases candidates and noone has reported the bug apparently. If you follow Fedora test list, this would be obvious and you can find the list of releases at

https://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/

Edited 2011-08-25 20:21 UTC

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fast_rizwaan Member since:
2010-09-01

You do realize that we don't have all the different hardware? We test on our own systems and I don't have a Nvidia system for instance and 3D is Nouveau is very much specific to the hardware in question.

I can not believe that no fedora developer has nvidia display card? Nouveau is much sponsored by redhat/fedora. As most L-users know, to have good 3d support nvidia/ati should be used in linux.

Since it is not a known issue, it is not in that list. If you file a bug report, the developer can track it down and fix it. If you rather complain here, feel free to.

What I am complaining is, the lack of basic "boot-testing" up to the full desktop loading, with one of the popular display cards (GPUs), before releasing the alpha or so.


The assertion that it can be found by basic testing is factually incorrect since this test releases went through several test and releases candidates and noone has reported the bug apparently. If you follow Fedora test list, this would be obvious and you can find the list of releases at

https://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/

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Appreciate that, but as a new user to fedora, and to check out gnome 3.1.4, when I ran live-cd, I was welcomed with a crash, on a standard nvidia gpu, which is pretty much common in linux desktop machines and very well supported by nouveau and mesa.

I removed redhat from my system when redhat (was it redhat 8?) stopped mp3, libdvdcss, etc. support, and switched to slackware, then to frugalware then to chakra and finally to archlinux.

I'm afraid, the live-cd crash disappointed me and even after installing it on the disk, I got no 3d by installing nouveau drivers which has discouraged me from going deeper into fedora 16.

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orestes Member since:
2005-07-06

It's what being an alpha user means yes. By choosing to run an alpha you generally accept that you're the one *doing* the front line testing. There's any number of places that regressions can occur during the prep of a codebase for creating a test release, anywhre from upstream itself to the tools that build the isos. That's why there are alphas in the first place, to find and work out the kinks.

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fast_rizwaan Member since:
2010-09-01

It's what being an alpha user means yes. By choosing to run an alpha you generally accept that you're the one *doing* the front line testing. There's any number of places that regressions can occur during the prep of a codebase for creating a test release, anywhre from upstream itself to the tools that build the isos. That's why there are alphas in the first place, to find and work out the kinks.

by being a user means, and by choosing to run an alpha means, I should be getting atleast a fallback desktop and not a repeated "We are sorry gnome-shell crashed" on a live-cd to be called a user.

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