Linked by suka on Thu 25th Aug 2011 22:19 UTC
KDE "After years of focusing on further improving KDE4 two weeks ago the developers of the free desktop announced the next big step for their project: KDE Frameworks 5.0. But as long-time developer - and Plasma team leader - Aaron Seigo points out in an interview with derStandard.at/web, the source-incompatible changes shall be held to a minimum. Also calls Frameworks 5.0 only the "first step", new Applications and Workspace releases are to follow later, Seigo goes on to talk about the chances in the mobile market with Plasma Active and further areas of collaboration with the other big free desktop: GNOME."
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by protomank on Thu 25th Aug 2011 23:28 UTC
protomank
Member since:
2006-08-03

I believe Aaron Seigo "vision" is killing KDE. Plasma in the end, does nothing like was initially told it would, as most users simply do not use activities, plasmoids or even that terrible netbook shell version.

I hope KDE community, as a whole, things better what they want for KDE 5 before entering again in all those "we will rock" sites like plasma and solid did in pre 4.0 era and end up with something that do not have a clear path.

Also, if plasma was meant to give a long life to KDE, why is that KDE 5 is being announce before a Qt5 (that would require API breaking)?

I don't know, I simply do not care anymoure about KDE development, I run it as my defaul DE, but I simply do not use any of its features, not even the menu (just a quick launch widget for my most importants apps, but KDE3 also did that, and was much more faster).

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

I believe Aaron Seigo "vision" is killing KDE. Plasma in the end, does nothing like was initially told it would, as most users simply do not use activities, plasmoids or even that terrible netbook shell version. I hope KDE community, as a whole, things better what they want for KDE 5 before entering again in all those "we will rock" sites like plasma and solid did in pre 4.0 era and end up with something that do not have a clear path. Also, if plasma was meant to give a long life to KDE, why is that KDE 5 is being announce before a Qt5 (that would require API breaking)? I don't know, I simply do not care anymoure about KDE development, I run it as my defaul DE, but I simply do not use any of its features, not even the menu (just a quick launch widget for my most importants apps, but KDE3 also did that, and was much more faster).


If you don't use its advanced features, then it is essentially no different on the surface (the UI) to other desktops such as XFCE. Except of course that underneath the UI KDE4 has the abstraction layers Phonon and Solid which provide applications with a more stable API than any that XFCE provides. Except of course that it provides a better environment under which to run KDE apps and Qt apps and an equivalent environment under which to run GTK apps compared to XFCE. Oh, and except of course that the KDE Software Collection, as a whole, is far far in advance of the XFCE default application set.

Since, if you don't use its advanced features, it is superficially no different to other desktops, except that it has better desktop applications (Dolphin, Okular, Gwenview, K3B et al), why not simply run it and enjoy it as such? Why do you feel a need to complain about it, and risk having rocks thrown at you, simply because it does in fact have advanced features which you don't happen to use?

Why not simply let advanced users use the advanced features, and be done with it? Live and let live.

KDE3 is not faster than KDE4, BTW, in fact KDE4 can use GPU hardware acceleration, such that it can even run on low-powered mobile phones and tablets using OpenGL ES. Also bear in mind that KDE3 relies on some technologies which are defunct and no longer supported, such as Qt3 and aRts.

Edited 2011-08-25 23:57 UTC

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cb88 Member since:
2009-04-23

Well I would bash KDE 4 but its flaws should be obvious enough to anyone that tires to run it on slower hardware (anything without opengl support or anything with a slow CPU or lack of ram)

KDE 3.x was good and I like Trinity desktop alot.... e17 and accociated libraries probably blow it away in the performance aspect and I hope that KDE 5 looks toward that direction and leaves all this nonsense behind.

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fast_rizwaan Member since:
2010-09-01

I believe Aaron Seigo "vision" is killing KDE. Plasma in the end, does nothing like was initially told it would, as most users simply do not use activities, plasmoids or even that terrible netbook shell version.

Totally, and most users simply hate those "visionary" features too.


I hope KDE community, as a whole, things better what they want for KDE 5 before entering again in all those "we will rock" sites like plasma and solid did in pre 4.0 era and end up with something that do not have a clear path.

Also, if plasma was meant to give a long life to KDE, why is that KDE 5 is being announce before a Qt5 (that would require API breaking)?


Rightly said, KDE is not there to make a great Linux Desktop or to solve the problems users are facing or to make a real productive open source desktop instead KDE is by all means an advertisement for QT toolkit sales.
And now to sell QT5, it needs a bigger advertisement, so here come KDE 5 advertisement.


I don't know, I simply do not care anymoure about KDE development, I run it as my defaul DE, but I simply do not use any of its features, not even the menu (just a quick launch widget for my most importants apps, but KDE3 also did that, and was much more faster).


and no prize to guess why users in KDE use firefox or chrome or opera and openoffice or libreoffice suite!

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smitty Member since:
2005-10-13

I believe Aaron Seigo "vision" is killing KDE. Plasma in the end, does nothing like was initially told it would, as most users simply do not use activities, plasmoids or even that terrible netbook shell version.

I would agree that a lot of the new interface ideas didn't really catch on. But that was never what Plasma was really about - it was about modernizing the desktop, making sure it would be maintainable, flexible, throwing out a bunch of junky code, and making it easy to add new features/ports when wanted. In that, Plasma has succeeded.

I hope KDE community, as a whole, things better what they want for KDE 5 before entering again in all those "we will rock" sites like plasma and solid did in pre 4.0 era and end up with something that do not have a clear path.

KDE 5 is simply a cleanup version of all the new stuff that got added in KDE 4 so there will be no "we will rock" sites. This has already been decided, and everyone agreed with it.

Also, if plasma was meant to give a long life to KDE, why is that KDE 5 is being announce before a Qt5 (that would require API breaking)?

It's not. KDE5 will depend on Qt5, which has already been announced.

I don't know, I simply do not care anymoure about KDE development, I run it as my defaul DE, but I simply do not use any of its features, not even the menu (just a quick launch widget for my most importants apps, but KDE3 also did that, and was much more faster).

Fair enough, but you should at least try to educate yourself before you start spouting off about it.

Edited 2011-08-26 03:08 UTC

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phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

I believe Aaron Seigo "vision" is killing KDE. Plasma in the end, does nothing like was initially told it would, as most users simply do not use activities, plasmoids or even that terrible netbook shell version.


plasma-netbook is awesome! Ok, so you have to manually add a taskbar to really make it awesome, but it works extremely well on small screens (like palmtops) or low-resolution screens (like SDTV). It even works decently on an eeePC 701 (except that one of the updates to the Intel video driver made it flicker all the time).

plasma-netbook is what Gnome-Shell wishes it could be. ;)

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roverrobot Member since:
2006-07-23

I believe Aaron Seigo "vision" is killing KDE. Plasma in the end, does nothing like was initially told it would


What won't it do?

as most users simply do not use activities, plasmoids or even that terrible netbook shell version.

Most users? where do you get that impression? Oh, I see, you mean YOU don't use. What kind of ego does one have to believe that he represents everyone?[

I hope KDE community, as a whole, things better what they want for KDE 5 before entering again in all those "we will rock" sites like plasma and solid did in pre 4.0 era and end up with something that do not have a clear path.

Well, they have a vision, and I would say a quite clear one. Do you have one?

Also, if plasma was meant to give a long life to KDE, why is that KDE 5 is being announce before a Qt5 (that would require API breaking)?

What are you smoking?

I don't know, I simply do not care anymoure about KDE development, I run it as my defaul DE, but I simply do not use any of its features, not even the menu (just a quick launch widget for my most importants apps, but KDE3 also did that, and was much more faster).

I don;t know, why would someone always say something as if he was an expert but actually sounded like he knows nothing?

Oh, by the way, I am not really a "community" member, but I do wish them good luck, because they are the real explorers. I am sure they would need some CONSTRUCTIVE critics, but not some empty whining.

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vitae Member since:
2006-02-20

most users simply do not use plasmoids


Hmmm. Am I the only one that does use plasmoids?

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Morty Member since:
2005-07-06

" most users simply do not use plasmoids


Hmmm. Am I the only one that does use plasmoids?
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No, that is just the parent poster revealing he is a clueless troll. Obviously you and every user of a KDE4 desktop uses plasmoids. Kind of hard not to, since even the rather simple default KDE4 desktop are something like 5-7 plasmoids.

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Yagami Member since:
2006-07-15

GREAT TROLL ;)

only question is :

who is paying you ? Gnome ? Apple ? Microsoft ? Kadafi ?

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