Linked by umad on Thu 25th Aug 2011 22:51 UTC
Apple I thought OSNews would be a good forum to talk about a matter that has been weighing on my mind lately primarily because the site has been so focused on Apple's patents and litigation as of late. The news that HP, the largest PC manufacturer in the world is spinning off or getting out of this business is what really prompted me to write this article.
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thavith_osn
Member since:
2005-07-11

But there is a lot to be said for polish :-)

I think Apple does "innovate", but not as much as we (the Apple fanbois) would like to admit.

I think what Apple does well is take existing ideas (and truth be told, most ideas rest on the shoulders others) and takes them to a place few thought / dared to go.

The PC industry in general tends to be conservative, Apple (and some others) dare to push the envelope, even if just a little at a time.

Love Jobs or hate him, he has changed the IT world, your Android phone would be a much different beast without Apple (see Android back in Nov 2007 (10 months after the iPhone was first revealed)) http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/12/a-visual-tour-of-androids-ui/

Maybe without Apple the IT world would be better, who knows, but it would certainly be different :-)

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danger_nakamura Member since:
2011-06-21

But there is a lot to be said for polish :-) I think Apple does "innovate", but not as much as we (the Apple fanbois) would like to admit. I think what Apple does well is take existing ideas (and truth be told, most ideas rest on the shoulders others) and takes them to a place few thought / dared to go.


Don't let your fellow fanbois (you said it - not me) hear you saying this... they might lynch you with the cord of a one button mouse!

THIS is why many, many people believe that Apple, as a company and the individuals that represent it, are being EXTREMELY hypocritical as of late. And many of us really don't like hypocrisy - it jars us. It is a double standard to the extreme... when Apple uses the ideas of others it is "adding polish" and "being bold." When others do the same, it is "stealing" and "unfair."

My open question to people that defend this is - "Do you really not see why this makes people angry?"

And before someone chimes in with legal technicalities in specific cases - save your breath. I'm referencing the larger picture and the perception. If anyone would care to address the disparity I'm all ears.

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MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

Well, if only those other companies ripped off Apple AND added polish of their own. Most copies (like tablets and phones) are crap, the ones that aren't aren't because their very good copies.

Sure they add some features an iPhone/iPad doesn't have, but the overall user experience is less than on an iDevice.

Apple's stuff is part of a general plan, while other companies just try to bring something to market that sells and when it doesn't sell as well they abandon it.

WP7 and webOS are examples that it is possible to do your own thing and not copy Apple.

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daedalus Member since:
2011-01-14

That's it! I think Apple do a fantastic job of polishing their products and providing a better experience due to it. It's not anything truly groundbreaking, but it is development and integration you simply don't see anywhere else in the industry. I can see why Apple are suing left, right and centre, but I don't think it's right. If something is a blatant rip-off, then yes, but they're not really. They're similar, but the user experience is different. The competitors seem to be lacking some of the Apple polish, and that being the case, let them. Let people decide between the cheaper tablet with some extra features but a sightly more disjointed experience, or pay extra for the more robust experience and the shininess.

The analogy that springs to mind is pens (since I have one in my hand) - I have a rather nice Cross pen which is lovely to write with, looks the part and is reliable. However the pen in my hand right now is a 20 cent Bic biro which feels cheap, doesn't write as well, but gets the job done just fine. There's space in the market for both, and people will always buy both for various reasons, be it snobbery, appreciation of that extra polish, financial considerations or whatever.

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ccraig13 Member since:
2011-05-31

one button mouse

Since you brought it up....

When I help older folks with their computers I constantly get asked, "Do I click the left button or the right?". I never get asked that by my grandmother though ( Pssst... don't tell anyone, but she's got one of those sinister one button mice! )

Hey I love my 5 button mouse, but some people just need one ;)

Edited 2011-08-26 14:26 UTC

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BallmerKnowsBest Member since:
2008-06-02

THIS is why many, many people believe that Apple, as a company and the individuals that represent it, are being EXTREMELY hypocritical as of late. And many of us really don't like hypocrisy - it jars us. It is a double standard to the extreme... when Apple uses the ideas of others it is "adding polish" and "being bold." When others do the same, it is "stealing" and "unfair."


It's also hypocritical for any Apple fanboy to call himself a technology enthusiast, when they're really Apple enthusiasts first. Their mentality is fundamentally at-odds with true enthusiasm for technology, in the same way that fundamentalist religious apologists don't make for very good scientists.

The best recent example was the local Apple fanboy brigade gloating over the discontinuation of WebOS. Real tech enthusiasts don't gloat over the demise of an interesting technology, only fanboys do that.

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atsureki Member since:
2006-03-12

There are components, and there are arrangements. You invent a component, and you innovate an arrangement. This is why Apple is called innovative: they're known more for original arrangements than for original components. They've invented quite a few things, too: LisaOS introduced pull-down menus and drag-and-drop, while MacPaint originated the paint bucket and lasso select tools. A lot of original ideas come from QuickTime.

Most of the popular anti-Apple comments around here either ignorantly or intentionally equivocate invention and innovation, and whether correctly naming it or not, they assign little or no value to innovation. That little value, of course, being monetary: that Apple shouldn't be entitled to anything besides what the market voluntarily gives it (if even that) for having created the industry's smartphone template. Of course there's personal value in Apple's multitouch inventions and presentational innovations; we all enjoy the benefits of these newfangled phones, whether Apple got anything back from us personally or not.

There is no hypocrisy in buying inventions to build innovations, and then reacting legally when your innovations are copied. Of course there's Nokia tech in the iPhone: Nokia has been building industry standards for decades, and they have to license them in a fair and non-discriminatory way, no matter how much they want Apple's technology back in return, because you can't build a phone -- any phone -- without them. You can build a phone that doesn't rip off the iPhone whole, however. Android partners, Samsung especially, simply choose not to.

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