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Syllable, AtheOS Syllable OS lead developer Kaj de Vos has been interviewed by Techworld Australia. The full Q&A is also available (via Slashdot).
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REBOL Killed Syllable for me
by henderson101 on Thu 1st Sep 2011 10:46 UTC
henderson101
Member since:
2006-05-30

I kind of lost all interest in Syllable after Kaj introduced REBOL. It really didn't seem like a good fit. It seemed more like "Amiga" rather than the perception I had of AtheOS reborn. And, at the time Vanders and Kaj were hard to discuss anything regarding the validity of REBOL in Syllable with. Mention XML - "XML is useless, we can do this with REBOL" - why? Why reinvent the wheel? "REBOL is more efficient!" - okay... so everyone else in IT is completely insane then? XML is pretty much industry standard. What about .Net as a simplified development platform? "We can use REBOL for that!" Okay, but why use a minority language, when there is a wealth of usable code.. sigh.

This sounds like a rant and I don't really have any more to add, save I agree with the perceptions that where highlighted in the "Syllable vs Haiku" thread someone quoted the link for above. It was about the time REBOL came about, and Syllable Server, and the Syllable "band camps" that is all went wrong for me and I bailed on the project.

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REBOL Killed Syllable for me
by Vanders on Thu 1st Sep 2011 10:55 in reply to "REBOL Killed Syllable for me"
Vanders Member since:
2005-07-06

Mention XML - "XML is useless, we can do this with REBOL" - why? Why reinvent the wheel? "REBOL is more efficient!" - okay... so everyone else in IT is completely insane then? XML is pretty much industry standard.


Without getting into the rest of your comment, the answer is yes. Yes they are. XML is a terrible, complicated mess. It was in the right place at the right time (thank you, SOAP...) but that doesn't make it the best solution for everything.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Yeah, but its a popular solution for many things. Having the ability to interact with popular interchange languages like XML is a necessary evil. Like speaking in English.

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henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

XML isn't a terribly complicated mess at all. XML is actually a really simple mark up definition language. What is terribly complicated is the way in which some developers believe it is the answer for all problems. Having worked on a product that uses it for some horribly bastardised scripting language (nothing but XML, no other script) - THAT is a horribly overly complicated mess. XML in general is actually simple.

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REBOL Killed Syllable for me
by renox on Thu 1st Sep 2011 14:23 in reply to "REBOL Killed Syllable for me"
renox Member since:
2005-07-06

Uhm, if you want to standardize fully on "Industry standard", use Windows and .NET..
Those who works on alternate OS are not satisfied with current "industry standards" so this is a poor argument.

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henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

Uhm, if you want to standardize fully on "Industry standard", use Windows and .NET..


Well no - the CIL and CLR are an industry standard - that is not what Microsoft supplies per se. You can use the CLR without the full Microsoft platform. But that is another discussion.

Those who works on alternate OS are not satisfied with current "industry standards" so this is a poor argument.


Ah, cool. So they don't need to write any C or C++ in their OS then - because they are industry Standards... and so is Assembler... hmmm..

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REBOL Killed Syllable for me
by -pekr- on Thu 1st Sep 2011 16:40 in reply to "REBOL Killed Syllable for me"
-pekr- Member since:
2006-03-28

Don't blame REBOL as a language for eventually wrong decision of Syllable team members!

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henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

well no, you blame the developers for using something unsuitable, obviously. The IT industry is littered with cool ideas that didn't cut the mustard....

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