Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 1st Sep 2011 21:48 UTC, submitted by glarepate
Legal "In a scene straight out of Bizarro World, Apple's lawyers are crying foul about Samsung and recent Google acquisitions Motorola's allegedly 'anticompetitive' use of patents. Yes, this is the same Apple that has initiated a patent war with these smartphone rivals. And it's the same rival that has tried to remove competing products from the market, rather than agree to negotiate a licensing fee. And it's the same company that patented multi-touch gestures 26 years after they were invented at a research university. And it's the same company that allegedly doctored evidence in European courts to support its lawsuits against Android. Yet in Apple's rose-colored glasses it is Samsung and Motorola who are bullies. Apparently Apple is irate about these companies' countersuits, which rely largely on patents covering wireless communications."
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The mythical FRAND...
by zima on Thu 1st Sep 2011 23:15 UTC in reply to "You clearly don't get it ..."
zima
Member since:
2005-07-06

Those "fair and..." provisions mean that anybody willing to play but not having patents of similar worth (similar R&D effort and expenses) to contribute to the pool, absolutely won't be denied usage... but must provide different compensation.

Like the, what, on the order of a billion which went from Apple to Nokia recently? (after you no doubt repeatedly invoked, what else, the mythical FRAND) And/or keeping the tone down a bit instead of screaming bloody murder about own "IP"...

Edited 2011-09-01 23:18 UTC

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RE: The mythical FRAND...
by kristoph on Fri 2nd Sep 2011 01:51 in reply to "The mythical FRAND..."
kristoph Member since:
2006-01-01

In fact, in the Nokia/Apple case Nokia and Apple made a point of negotiating FRAND patents separately.

That's the way this has to be done. There are patents on virtually every technology put out by every SSO. If FRAND's are not respected it would be a huge mess.

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RE[2]: The mythical FRAND...
by Soulbender on Fri 2nd Sep 2011 02:31 in reply to "RE: The mythical FRAND..."
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

If FRAND's are not respected


Like using them without paying the (reasonable) license fee?

Edited 2011-09-02 02:32 UTC

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RE[2]: The mythical FRAND...
by JAlexoid on Sat 3rd Sep 2011 08:21 in reply to "RE: The mythical FRAND..."
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

FRAND doesn't mean that they have to license them out under ANY conditions. It means that if you set a precedent of licensing them out for $1, then someone else may complain that you are discriminating by licensing them for a billion.
The beauty of those agreements, is that if you never had any licensing agreements without patent cross-licensing deals you can ask whatever amount you wish... or require a patent cross-licensing deal.

Now, if Apple didn't have any patents to cross-license then their comment would be appropriate. But as we stand today, Apple can and probably will be forced to cross-license(same as with Nokia).

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