Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 2nd Sep 2011 21:47 UTC
Apple So, I kind of mocked this story yesterday, but today an interesting twist has emerged which puts the story in an entirely different light. This week, CNet reported a story about how Apple is working with the San Francisco Police Department to retrieve a lost iPhone 5 prototype. The police and Apple apparently traced the phone to someone's house, and showed up on his doorstep, threatening him and his family. The only problem - the SFPD has no record of any house search or of the case in general - raising the question whether Apple employees falsely impersonated the SFPD, which happens to be a serious crime in California. Update: While I was busy sleeping, the story changed a little bit, but it's still far too shady. After conferring with Apple, the SFPD now states four police officers were involved, and that only the two Apple employees entered Calderon's house. However, Calderon had no idea these two were private non-police people, since he claims they did not identify themselves as Apple employees. Had he known, he would not have let them search his house. So, update or no, Apple employees still impersonated police officers, and issued threats to intimidate Calderon into letting them search his house - without a warrant. I don't understand how people can just accept this sort of behaviour. Don't you have rights in the US? Update II: Perfect summary.
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So let me get this straight
by Tony Swash on Sun 4th Sep 2011 14:49 UTC
Tony Swash
Member since:
2009-08-22

A large local company goes to the cops and say 'we think an important prototype of one of most important products has been stolen and is in this house'. The local cops go to house along with a couple of reps from the company and the cops lean on the guy living at the house, no doubt using their years of cop experience of exactly how to lean on someone, to convince them to allow a search. The guy agrees. Having got the owners permission to search the cops ask the company reps to look around and see if they can see the missing item, an item which the cops presumably might well have trouble identifying on their own.

Frankly I can't see anything there to get excited about. Sure cops should in theory always work exactly within the rules and go out of their way to tell suspects their full rights and not try to talk anybody our of exercising their rights but you know and I know that cops don't work like this and if they did then a lot more bad people would get away with a lot more bad stuff. Cops get adept at bending the rules. That's just the way the world is.

The only reason this is a news item is because the company's name is Apple and a small but very vocal group of people are very Apple phobic and get very, very excited when Apple is mentioned especially if it is the context of some possible misdeed by the company.

Pathetic.

For god's sake grow up.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

I'm hoping one of these days the cops show up on your doorstep threatening your family, and then have people tell you it's okay for the police to do so.

Holy crap, you Apple cultists scare the living fcuk out of me. You people are sick.

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

'we think an important prototype of one of most important products has been stolen and is in this house'

but you know and I know that cops don't work like this and if they did then a lot more bad people would get away with a lot more bad stuff.


Where's the warrant? Where's the paperwork for the reported stolen phone? On what grounds did they think that person had the phone? Why is the local police action as enforcers for a corporation? Why was it necessary to intimidate and threaten the person?
There's just so many things wrong here it's amazing people are defending it. Stop defending this kind of behavior just because it's Apple.

The only reason this is a news item is because the company's name is Apple


Yea, right. That's why. Not because there was a misconduct of justice. Right.

For god's sake grow up.


This is not an action movie where the good cops get away with this shit because it's cool and because they're chasing a bad guy (you know, a real bad guy, not someone who didn't steal a phone). It's real life. Grow up.

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buttcoffee Member since:
2011-04-05

The cops aren't obligated to tell anyone their rights unless they're detaining them. So far, in this article, the coppers didn't do anything wrong. It's just that many in the comments section are ignorant on basic American law.

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Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

buttcoffee,

"So far, in this article, the coppers didn't do anything wrong."

I sincerely hope that you meant that they didn't do anything *legally wrong* instead of *morally wrong*.

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vitae Member since:
2006-02-20

The cops aren't obligated to tell anyone their rights unless they're detaining them. So far, in this article, the coppers didn't do anything wrong. It's just that many in the comments section are ignorant on basic American law.


The cops shouldn't have been there at all. If they didn't have a search warrant, and weren't prepared to conduct the search themselves, there's no reason for them to be there. Unless of course they're doing a little moonlighting on behalf of an old friend which we can either chalk up as abuse of power or flat out corruption if there was something in it for them.

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

People who are actually working in law enforcement disagree with you.
http://www.osnews.com/permalink?488325

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RE: So let me get this straight
by vitae on Mon 5th Sep 2011 00:45 in reply to "So let me get this straight"
vitae Member since:
2006-02-20





The only reason this is a news item is because the company's name is Apple and a small but very vocal group of people are very Apple phobic and get very, very excited when Apple is mentioned especially if it is the context of some possible misdeed by the company.






Would you be in here posting if this was Microsoft looking for their new Windows phone prototype, and we were all over their case about it?

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