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I stress a complex web of interrelations in societal dynamics. "Govs reflecting their society" being just one of them (but not a bad one to point out specifically, with how wilfully overlooked and/or denied it is typically...), what else the emphasised, more than once, "also" could mean?
And who allows for such state of affairs? Heck, in moderately functional liberal democracies, who votes in those people? Why the society doesn't care to see enough through the dirty tricks? Why it is... so often wrong in promoting their new mythical honest idol?
Those are our failures.
(oh, and "all else being equal" could just as well mean firm, strict, equal for all enforcement of fair and sustainable rules, of the so called values humans typically declare to cherish...)
"Why it is... so often wrong in promoting their new mythical honest idol?"
I'm insulted by this notion that honesty is mythical. I try my absolute best to be honest when it comes to my jobs and responsibilities. Despite the fact that I see dishonest people getting ahead of myself, I've remained honest. Perhaps my kind will eventually die off because we're not fit to survive, but I still will cling to the view that honestly is a virtue worth having even if it is a competitive weakness.
"Those are our failures."
To the extent that we have control over them, then sure, but you must be aware that many people over here in the US view the government as a fascist entity acting on behalf of wealthy corporate interests through both parties.
It may be a conspiracy to you, but in their minds, their government does not represent them.
http://newjerseyhills.com/observer-tribune/news/article_7074df6c-f7.....
"Despite the poor national economy, the report found that the personal wealth of members of Congress increased collectively by more than 16 percent between 2008 and 2009. It also showed that 261 congressmen, or nearly half of the membership of the House of Representatives, are millionaires."
The fact is wealth plays a large part in getting representation within government. Regardless of the reasons, government is overwhelmingly composed of wealthy classes who would rather keep pushing corporate interests over us.
I'm an advocate of real democracy, but it's gotta represent the people. What we have today does not.
Edited 2011-09-04 20:54 UTC





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2011-01-28
zima,
"So I'm not quite sure what 'government is not as clearly(??) a reflection of the public as you indicated'"
I meant exactly that, I'm still not sure what the issue is you are taking with my statement? If I misunderstood your view, then I apologize
"No, it is us. Also in who we collectively choose to promote to public positions, what traits we cherish there, in the end."
It still seems to me that you are assuming that corruption in government is purely a reflection of corruption in individuals, without considering that perhaps non-corrupt individuals face more challenges in politics than corrupt ones.
Keep in mind, a dishonest politician has all the maneuvers that an honest politician has, and then some. To the extent that he doesn't miscalculate the risks of his dishonest actions, he has more opportunities than the honest politician, all else being equal.
Edited 2011-09-04 19:07 UTC