Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 4th Sep 2011 15:48 UTC
Legal "Secret U.S. government cables show a stunning willingness by senior Canadian officials to appease American demands (more here) for a U.S.-style copyright law here. The documents describe Canadian officials as encouraging American lobbying efforts. They also cite cabinet minister Maxime Bernier raising the possibility of showing U.S. officials a draft bill before tabling it in Parliament. The cables, from the U.S. Embassy in Ottawa, even have a policy director for then industry minister Tony Clement suggesting it might help U.S. demands for a tough copyright law if Canada were placed among the worst offenders on an international piracy watch list. Days later, the U.S. placed Canada alongside China and Russia on the list." Unbelievable. Suddenly I understand why the SFPD had no qualms about acting as henchmen for Apple goons to violate someone's constitutional rights. If a government is messed up, it only makes sense this is reflected in the corporate policies of its prime corporations.
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Holwerda is a clown
by Not2Sure on Sun 4th Sep 2011 23:38 UTC
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So, let's see, you are surprised that members of the elected governments of two nations with a long history of bilateral actions and who are each their greatest trading partners are alleged to have collaborated on a public policy impacting trade. Therefore, it makes sense that one or two members of a local police agency that has nothing to do with either Canada or the US federal government is alleged to have acted improperly.

I'm sure you will explain what one thing has the fuck to do with the other. Or not, whatevs.

What a troll. Up next on OSNews, the discovery that US and Mexico collaborate on national security will suddenly make it clear to Holwerda that the US is responsible for the recent erratic solar cycle. Or maybe a rant on Israel. That would be great.

Can you please tone down your propaganda to I dunno, your normal adolescent outbursts? I for one am beginning to tire of the trolling.

PS: The SFPD's actual statement: "After speaking with Apple representatives, we were given information which helped us determine what occurred. It was discovered that Apple employees called Mission Police station directly, wanting assistance in tracking down a lost item. Apple had tracked the lost item to a house located in the 500 block of Anderson Street. Because the address was in the Ingleside Police district Apple employees were referred to Officers in the Ingleside district. Four SFPD Officers accompanied Apple employees to the Anderson street home. The two Apple employees met with the resident and then went into the house to look for the lost item. The Apple employees did not find the lost item and left the house.
The Apple employees did not want to make an official report of the lost item."

With your vast understanding of US law, please let us know how these officers violated the Constitution of the US or acted improperly. Oh and include some links to wikipedia. kkthxbye!

In case you didn't realize, this is the EXACT same process that occurs when a private citizen tracks his or her stolen phone via GPS or their laptop via tracking software and calls the police to recover it when they have a location. Except then it's not a gross abuse of police power it's "cool" or something and worthy of mass attention on twitter. If Apple had actually reported it as stolen, a warrant would most likely have been obtained (or not based on the evidence) and the police would have entered the premises to do the search.

If you want to bitch or whine like little girls about something actually useful and related to Apple, you should be complaining about the fact that the two guys who stole the iPhone prototype last year, were convicted of selling stolen property and sentenced to fines while Gizmodo faced no action whatsover for knowingly paying them for stolen property and reaping immense profit from it, an issue that has actual, real Constitutional implications.

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RE: Holwerda is a clown
by TechGeek on Mon 5th Sep 2011 02:50 in reply to "Holwerda is a clown"
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Boy, you need to take some classes on law. IF I call the police and tell them that I had my phone stolen AND give them the GPS coordinates to the location, I DO NOT get to ride along on the investigation. I also DO NOT have the right to search the suspects house. EVEN IF the owner lets the police in to search, I would NOT be allowed to tag along. What's more, the police would get a warrant which a judge has to sign. Warrants issued are usually publicly disclosed. What the SFPD officers did was completely immoral and an abuse of power, largely because a large corporation which pays lots of taxes wanted to keep things quiet. Corruption in favor of corporate interests is EXACTLY what this case has to do with our government pressuring other countries. While Canada is practically the 51st state, they did the same things to Brazil and Spain.

Edited 2011-09-05 02:51 UTC

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RE[2]: Holwerda is a clown
by WorknMan on Mon 5th Sep 2011 03:05 in reply to "RE: Holwerda is a clown"
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What's more, the police would get a warrant which a judge has to sign. Warrants issued are usually publicly disclosed.

Well, they showed up and ASKED if they could search his place. Is that against the law? IMHO, they did it WITH police escorts, so if laws were broken, probably more the fault of the police dept than Apple.

I swear, you guys act like Apple employees showed up at his house, announced themselves as the police (without the police actually being present), kicked down his door, and then ransacked his place while the dude was being restrained. Remember, he GAVE THEM PERMISSION to do the search.

Disclaimer: Before I am labeled an Apple fanboy, I do not own any of their products ;)

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RE[2]: Holwerda is a clown
by Not2Sure on Mon 5th Sep 2011 07:10 in reply to "RE: Holwerda is a clown"
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You have no clue wth you're talking about as usual. You have every right to observe police actions in public spaces.

And I have no idea wtf you're yammering on about DO NOT and EVEN IF (ALL CAPS OMG). NEWSFLASH, NO COMPLAINT WAS FILED BY APPLE.

The 4th amendment doesn't apply to private citizens. Evidence obtained even illegally by private citizens doesn't fall under the exclusionary rule (ie, if I break into your house to find my stolen property and deliver what I find to the police, I am most likely guilty of trespass/b&e and you will be convicted of possession of stolen property using the evidence I found). And if you voluntarily let me into your house and I find my stolen property, you are basically a very stupid thief and I have done nothing wrong.

Also your concepts of police "power" and morality are obviously as misinformed as your knowledge of software given your post history. The police according to the so far undisputed facts of the account of these events never entered the private property or even spoke to the owner. They were called to a residence involving a private property dispute and according to so far everyone involved stayed in the street. Do you have some reliable source of information that is contrary? No? Ok, run along. An abuse of police power would be something along the lines of harassing this person by say towing his car because it is 15 inches from the curb repeatedly (an actual offense but when applied capriciously is abusive).

Finally if you want to play along with Holwerda's absurd, nonsensical little make-believe world of right and wrong, good and evil (you know what the rest of us call diplomacy), fine: what exactly did any US official specifically do that you think is "corrupt" or in violation of any law with respect to Canadian law?

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RE[2]: Holwerda is a clown
by buttcoffee on Tue 6th Sep 2011 04:08 in reply to "RE: Holwerda is a clown"
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Boy, perhaps you should take a class is basic law 101. You can ride along with the coppers during the investigation to the location, as a ride-along witness or victim to the crime, dipshit. Actually, it depends on the police department's rules and regulations, but most likely they would.

The cops don't need a warrant when the person gave them consent to search the house. He gave up his 4th amendment right and 5th amendment right away for being dumb enough to talk to the coppers without a lawyer. This is basic stuff everyone should know, even a self-proclaimed law expert like you.

What the SFPD did was perfectly legal and no abuse of power.

Isn't this supposed to be a tech related website?

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