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Windows More news on Windows 8. This time around, Gabe Aul, a director of program management in Windows, blogged about the changes Microsoft has made to Windows 8's boot process. The results are impressive - a boot time not much slower than waking from sleep on current Windows 7 and Mac OS X machines. This is, of course, a vital component of getting Windows NT ready for tablets.
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RE[5]: They always promise this
by sorpigal on Mon 12th Sep 2011 15:06 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: They always promise this"
sorpigal
Member since:
2005-11-02

Are you seriously suggesting that I need to provide *evidence* that MS isn't good at writing systems software? Is your counter-argument *REALLY* going to be that they made one utility better than a similar utility that can be found elsewhere?

User-facing utilities like that are solidly on the application side of things. Perhaps you're talking about alsa vs. the Windows sound subsystem? That would be more solidly on the systems side of things. But, even so, your argument is fallacious: "Because A does B, which is a member of class C, better than E does B, this proves that A is good at doing things of class C." This doesn't hold. It proves at least that A is better at B than E is, and at most that A is better at C than E is.

If you are trying to say "Audio sucks under Linux more than under Windows" you are saying something which is supportable but irrelevant. Very few people, or companies, fail at everything all the time. It was never my intention to say that Microsoft has *never* done *anything* right when it comes to systems software, just that they're generally not good at it. One counter example doesn't disprove this.

I know what you're thinking! "COUNTER example? Where's YOUR example to begin with?!" I hold up to you the last 30 years as evidence.

Honestly, I'm surprised. I was trying to be *complimentary* to Microsoft, which is something I am loath to do. I am forgiving MS its well known failings and being supportive by saying that there are, indeed, some things they do well. Take the compliment and try not to make yourself appear ignorant by trying to argue that Microsoft hasn't repeatedly failed to produce quality software.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

No you weren't being supportive of Microsoft ... it was a cheapshot.

Windows Vista Service Pack 2 and Windows 7 are so stable ... fast (yes fast unless you have really crap hardware and most modern Linux distros will also run like crap on them).

Considering Windows has been ported to ARM pretty easily considering it is probably in excess of 100 million lines of code actually suggests they are fucking excellent system engineers.

Slag Microsoft off all you want ... you won't change the fact that many people use Windows everyday with zero problems ... I have never needed to drop to the command line to fix a problem with Windows.

The fact is that Microsoft haters like yourself pretty much have nothing else to slag Microsoft off about other than "freedomz", ancient business practices (which many of the competitors have done the same which are now proponents of Linux), it isn't *nix based and that The OS doesn't run that well on computers that are considered ancient now.

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

considering it is probably in excess of 100 million lines of code actually suggests they are fucking excellent system engineers.


No it doesn't. More code != better engineers. They moght be, but the number of lines of code says nothing about how good the engineering is. If anything, it's the opposite.

The fact is that Microsoft haters like yourself pretty much have nothing else to slag Microsoft off about other than "freedomz"


"freedoms". That's clever. or not.
How this for a reason: I think it sucks and it hampers my work productivity.
That's just a valid reason for me as "many people use it without problems".

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sorpigal Member since:
2005-11-02

No you weren't being supportive of Microsoft ... it was a cheapshot.

I really don't see how.

Windows Vista Service Pack 2 and Windows 7 are so stable ...

How easily you forget the 90s (and the 80s... oh my). Perhaps you just weren't there?

Considering Windows has been ported to ARM pretty easily considering it is probably in excess of 100 million lines of code actually suggests they are fucking excellent system engineers.

Portability is a positive sign, but doesn't prove much. Does that make it better designed? In terms of code structure, perhaps, but little else.

Windows NT has always been portable. Some parts of the kernel reflect good design, IMO, but there's a lot of craziness running around there, too.

Slag Microsoft off all you want ... you won't change the fact that many people use Windows everyday with zero problems

Wow, nice straw-man argument! I didn't say anything of the kind, so I don't know why you'd care to bring it up.

I have never needed to drop to the command line to fix a problem with Windows.

Aha, so you've never really had to use Windows? That explains a lot. FYI, there are a lot of things which can only be done via the command line on Windows... or (sometimes) are just much easier.

The fact is that Microsoft haters like yourself pretty much have nothing else to slag Microsoft off about other than "freedomz"

I am indeed a Microsoft hater, though how you arrive at that conclusion by reading this thread I cannot imagine. I hate Microsoft because they make things that are unpleasant, broken, break under me, are inscrutable, fragile and sometimes impossible to fix. It's not fanaticism, it's tired experience. (Full disclosure: I am also a GNU fanatic, but I am rational enough not to let my preferences color my facts to any excessive degree.)

ancient business practices (which many of the competitors have done the same which are now proponents of Linux), it isn't *nix based and that The OS doesn't run that well on computers that are considered ancient now.

Which "Ancient" practices? As far as I am aware, they've never stopped doing any of the bad things they do... except for when it no longer matters. Are you just saying "Don't complain, you didn't get screwed THIS month!"?

I do have a problem with Windows not being Unix-like: The problem is that it could be, but sometimes is arbitrarily not, and in some cases that bites me. I have a problem with getting bitten for (as far as I can tell) no good reason.

As for ancient computers... who is it you *think* you're arguing with, here? Did I claim "Windows sucks because Windows 7 doesn't run on my PII350!"? I would never be able to run Fedora 15 on it, either, but I don't complain about that very much.

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