Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 9th Sep 2011 15:17 UTC
Windows More news on Windows 8. This time around, Gabe Aul, a director of program management in Windows, blogged about the changes Microsoft has made to Windows 8's boot process. The results are impressive - a boot time not much slower than waking from sleep on current Windows 7 and Mac OS X machines. This is, of course, a vital component of getting Windows NT ready for tablets.
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lucas_maximus
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2009-08-18

No you weren't being supportive of Microsoft ... it was a cheapshot.

Windows Vista Service Pack 2 and Windows 7 are so stable ... fast (yes fast unless you have really crap hardware and most modern Linux distros will also run like crap on them).

Considering Windows has been ported to ARM pretty easily considering it is probably in excess of 100 million lines of code actually suggests they are fucking excellent system engineers.

Slag Microsoft off all you want ... you won't change the fact that many people use Windows everyday with zero problems ... I have never needed to drop to the command line to fix a problem with Windows.

The fact is that Microsoft haters like yourself pretty much have nothing else to slag Microsoft off about other than "freedomz", ancient business practices (which many of the competitors have done the same which are now proponents of Linux), it isn't *nix based and that The OS doesn't run that well on computers that are considered ancient now.

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

considering it is probably in excess of 100 million lines of code actually suggests they are fucking excellent system engineers.


No it doesn't. More code != better engineers. They moght be, but the number of lines of code says nothing about how good the engineering is. If anything, it's the opposite.

The fact is that Microsoft haters like yourself pretty much have nothing else to slag Microsoft off about other than "freedomz"


"freedoms". That's clever. or not.
How this for a reason: I think it sucks and it hampers my work productivity.
That's just a valid reason for me as "many people use it without problems".

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

No it doesn't. More code != better engineers. They moght be, but the number of lines of code says nothing about how good the engineering is. If anything, it's the opposite.


I didn't say that more code != better engineers ... what I said that a large code base got ported easily.

The big thing about NT is the HAL layer pretty much proves that the whole code is well modularized ... which is what I alluded to.

"freedoms". That's clever. or not.
How this for a reason: I think it sucks and it hampers my work productivity.


How exactly? I have never seen a convincing argument that working with an Open Source bit of code is actually better than closed source ... Crap code is crap code whether it is open or closed.

I don't like shifting through fuck loads of someone else's code to fix it. I rather it just bloody work in the first place ... whether it is open or not is irrelevant.

That's just a valid reason for me as "many people use it without problems".


Not really.

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sorpigal Member since:
2005-11-02

No you weren't being supportive of Microsoft ... it was a cheapshot.

I really don't see how.

Windows Vista Service Pack 2 and Windows 7 are so stable ...

How easily you forget the 90s (and the 80s... oh my). Perhaps you just weren't there?

Considering Windows has been ported to ARM pretty easily considering it is probably in excess of 100 million lines of code actually suggests they are fucking excellent system engineers.

Portability is a positive sign, but doesn't prove much. Does that make it better designed? In terms of code structure, perhaps, but little else.

Windows NT has always been portable. Some parts of the kernel reflect good design, IMO, but there's a lot of craziness running around there, too.

Slag Microsoft off all you want ... you won't change the fact that many people use Windows everyday with zero problems

Wow, nice straw-man argument! I didn't say anything of the kind, so I don't know why you'd care to bring it up.

I have never needed to drop to the command line to fix a problem with Windows.

Aha, so you've never really had to use Windows? That explains a lot. FYI, there are a lot of things which can only be done via the command line on Windows... or (sometimes) are just much easier.

The fact is that Microsoft haters like yourself pretty much have nothing else to slag Microsoft off about other than "freedomz"

I am indeed a Microsoft hater, though how you arrive at that conclusion by reading this thread I cannot imagine. I hate Microsoft because they make things that are unpleasant, broken, break under me, are inscrutable, fragile and sometimes impossible to fix. It's not fanaticism, it's tired experience. (Full disclosure: I am also a GNU fanatic, but I am rational enough not to let my preferences color my facts to any excessive degree.)

ancient business practices (which many of the competitors have done the same which are now proponents of Linux), it isn't *nix based and that The OS doesn't run that well on computers that are considered ancient now.

Which "Ancient" practices? As far as I am aware, they've never stopped doing any of the bad things they do... except for when it no longer matters. Are you just saying "Don't complain, you didn't get screwed THIS month!"?

I do have a problem with Windows not being Unix-like: The problem is that it could be, but sometimes is arbitrarily not, and in some cases that bites me. I have a problem with getting bitten for (as far as I can tell) no good reason.

As for ancient computers... who is it you *think* you're arguing with, here? Did I claim "Windows sucks because Windows 7 doesn't run on my PII350!"? I would never be able to run Fedora 15 on it, either, but I don't complain about that very much.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Basically your post boils down to

"I hate Microsoft ... rah rah lalalalal ... I had some random problems with Microsoft products that nobody else has ... rah rah ... something about anti-trust stuff that happened 15 years ago ... rah rah ... UNIX way is perfect (but forget about Plan9 ... All Hail GNU and RMS"

Please ... I think 90% of your problems are made up.

Edited 2011-09-12 21:50 UTC

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